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• RE: Wheel used to create text and text has no meaning

  ReneZ > 20-09-2024, 12:58 PM

  (20-09-2024, 12:26 AM)voynichrose Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I have to agree after seeing what the wheel does and its back to the drawing board lol.

  
  Thank you for this!
  
  It is extremely rare to have someone actually consider comments provided here, think about it, try it out and conclude that the approach should be changed.

• RE: Wheel used to create text and text has no meaning

  cvetkakocj@rogers.com > 20-09-2024, 02:00 PM

  (20-09-2024, 08:10 AM)Koen G Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.When I interviewed Benedek Lang about the Rohonc Codex some months ago, we also briefly talked about the Voynich. (He wrote a book about medieval ciphers and struck me as intelligent and knowledgeable on the subject). He said:
  
  * It's unlikely that the Voynich is a cipher
  * It's unlikely to be meaningless

  What about the combination of simple one-to-one substitution and the combination of one-to-many or many-to-one? This is how languages use Latin letters. If you want to call these combinations a cipher,  than you can decipher the text. However, even when you figure out which letter combinations in certain language are used for which sound, it still doesn't work, because letters are pronounced differently in different dialects, and the sounds can change under certain conditions, like Swabian pock and bock or English back, or Slavic bik (a male of certain animal spicies). However, finding proper transcription alphabet should be the first step and ZL have identified enough letters to start the research in that direction. Like the words: che, kol, kal, kir, dol. They could be found in different languages for different meanings, but they can still confirm the correct transcription.
  Substituting y in ch, you get the word zhe in Slovenian medieval writing, which has the same meaning as the word che written by Italian writer or sce written by a Hungarian writer. All three of them can write down the same language by substituting different Latin letters for certain sounds. However, when enough Latin letters is used for other sounds, the 'cipher' can be figured out.
  As for the idea of a wheel being used to generate words: I suppose it almost looks like this could be a possibility, because the peasant vernacular languages were usually very simple, consisting of one syllable root, a letter or a syllable for a prefix, and a letter or a syllable for a suffix or grammatical ending.
  However, the random turning of the wheel is absurd, because the language existed before the medieval experimentation with the wheels and words. Also, the random turning of the wheel would not correctly place prefix and suffix to the roots, the way it is done in the VM text, as Emma pointed out.
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