Helmut Winkler > 04-05-2021, 08:27 AM
(03-05-2021, 07:18 PM)-JKP- Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.(03-05-2021, 04:22 PM)Anton Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view....
One says, this is "probiren". Where's the argument? Are there any examples where probiren is abbreviated as pbren? Maybe there are, and that would be just excellent, but they should be referenced.
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I don't have an answer, but I can offer an opinion based on years of reading medieval scripts and manuscripts. The "pro" part can be justified IF the tail of the p had a curved slash across the descender that was obliterated. It was a very common symbol/abbreviation for "pro".
However, the missing "i" is usually indicated with a macron/apostrophe and there isn't one. So, if it is prob(i)ren, the slash on "p" is no longer visible and the macron standing in for "i" has been omitted (which is rare but not impossible, they usually were pretty consistent with macrons).
Helmut Winkler > 04-05-2021, 09:45 AM
(03-05-2021, 10:10 PM)Searcher Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.One more question: could "val8en / pal8en" be "palsen", meaning "balsam"?
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Can "balsam ob[e]ren" or "balsam probieren" be correct and / or meaningfull?
Helmut Winkler > 04-05-2021, 09:50 AM
-JKP- > 04-05-2021, 11:05 AM
(04-05-2021, 08:27 AM)Helmut Winkler Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.(03-05-2021, 07:18 PM)-JKP- Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.(03-05-2021, 04:22 PM)Anton Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view....
One says, this is "probiren". Where's the argument? Are there any examples where probiren is abbreviated as pbren? Maybe there are, and that would be just excellent, but they should be referenced.
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I don't have an answer, but I can offer an opinion based on years of reading medieval scripts and manuscripts. The "pro" part can be justified IF the tail of the p had a curved slash across the descender that was obliterated. It was a very common symbol/abbreviation for "pro".
However, the missing "i" is usually indicated with a macron/apostrophe and there isn't one. So, if it is prob(i)ren, the slash on "p" is no longer visible and the macron standing in for "i" has been omitted (which is rare but not impossible, they usually were pretty consistent with macrons).
JKP,
I think you dont see the real issue as well, the 116v sribe leaves off things, letters, macrons, loops, no matter what reason he had
Tobias > 04-05-2021, 01:09 PM
(04-05-2021, 09:50 AM)Helmut Winkler Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.@ Searcher
Wall den oberen, so nimm Geissmilch.
Ball den oberen [Theil], so nimm Geissmilch.
Walzen oberen, so nimm Geissmilch.
Fall den oberen, so nimm Geissmilch.
These sentences are grammatially correct, if you take Wall and so on as imperatives, but they dont make sense
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Quote:"The Lemnian Earth comes from a cave-like hollow on the island Lemnos. It is dug out there and mixed with goat's blood, the people form it to pills and seal those with a seal with a goat on it, called 'goat’s seal' because of this practice. It is very useful against deadly poisons. Taken mixed in wine it forces to vomit the poisons. It is a good remedy against bites and stings of poisonous animals. Some use it for cleansing rituals and it is very useful against dysentery." (De materia medica. 5.113)
Quote:"In medicine it is very highly esteemed. Applied to the eyes in the form of a liniment, it allays defluxions and pains in those organs, and arrests the discharges from lachrymal fistulas. To persons vomiting blood, it is administered with vinegar to drink. It is taken also internally for affections of the spleen and kidneys; and by females for the purpose of arresting flooding. It is employed too, to counteract the effects of poisons, and of stings inflicted by sea or land serpents; hence it is that it is so commonly used as an ingredient in antidotes." (Naturalisl Historia. 35, 33f)You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view..