Hermes777 > 08-04-2024, 05:04 AM
(07-04-2024, 01:31 PM)Mark Knowles Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.(07-04-2024, 10:34 AM)Hermes777 Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.On the other hand, from the outset I've thought the map is earlier and separate and was possibly the place where the project began. (I originally thought the map was mid to late 1300s).
Have you seen my map design?
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Hermes777 > 08-04-2024, 05:12 AM
(07-04-2024, 01:08 PM)Mark Knowles Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.(07-04-2024, 10:34 AM)Hermes777 Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Garments and fashions in the ms. suggest earlier rather than later I think, but then a later illustrator may have been following existing illustrations (poorly) rather than drawing from life.
To me it appears to be a later attempted copy of an earlier drawing. People argue about the fashion, but I don't see the Voynich author being very concerned that the fashion is up to date in the drawings, especially given how crude the drawings are.
Mark Knowles > 08-04-2024, 08:41 AM
(08-04-2024, 05:04 AM)Hermes777 Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.(07-04-2024, 01:31 PM)Mark Knowles Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.(07-04-2024, 10:34 AM)Hermes777 Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.On the other hand, from the outset I've thought the map is earlier and separate and was possibly the place where the project began. (I originally thought the map was mid to late 1300s).
Have you seen my map design?
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I need to see it in hi-res Mark, but I like what you've done. What was the first feature on the map you identified?
Mark Knowles > 08-04-2024, 09:06 AM
(08-04-2024, 12:24 AM)ReneZ Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.(07-04-2024, 03:05 PM)Mark Knowles Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.In fact the Diebold Lauber drawings which are most similar to the Voynich are
Diebold Lauber keeps coming up here, but I fail to see how the crude scribblings in the Voynich MS can have anything to do with such a professional setup and artistic workshop.
Koen G > 08-04-2024, 10:48 AM
(08-04-2024, 12:24 AM)ReneZ Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Diebold Lauber keeps coming up here, but I fail to see how the crude scribblings in the Voynich MS can have anything to do with such a professional setup and artistic workshop.
Mark Knowles > 08-04-2024, 11:03 AM
(08-04-2024, 10:48 AM)Koen G Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.the VM images and Lauber's are part of the same family tree as it were. I see no reason for closer Lauber involvement.
ReneZ > 08-04-2024, 11:04 AM
Mark Knowles > 08-04-2024, 11:41 AM
(08-04-2024, 11:04 AM)ReneZ Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Here, we just need to remember the famous 10% (it that's the right number) of manuscripts that have survived and come down to us, combined with the famous parable of the guy looking for his lost keys under a street lantern.
It's a bit of a pessimistic train of thought, but then again there are still many items that are not yet publicly available, so something may still turn up some day.
Koen G > 08-04-2024, 12:21 PM
(08-04-2024, 11:41 AM)Mark Knowles Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. I have been contemplating whether it would be worth me putting in the time and effort to track down these and other relevant manuscripts to see if I can find better matches. This is a daunting task, so I am not sure if will explore it, but it could potentially by very useful.
Mark Knowles > 08-04-2024, 02:01 PM
(08-04-2024, 12:21 PM)Koen G Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.It's hard work for possibly little results. The advantage is that there is a pretty clear outline of what needs to be done though.