ReneZ > 02-04-2024, 12:43 PM
(02-04-2024, 10:50 AM)Mark Knowles Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Do you count the presence of null text within your idea of a meaningful solution?
MarcoP > 02-04-2024, 02:45 PM
(02-04-2024, 12:56 AM)ReneZ Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view....my favourite 'key question' about the Voynich MS may provide some insight.
That is: in case we could answer this key question.
This is:
Is it possible to do a word-by-word substitution of the Voynich MS and come up with a meaningful text?
I see more reasons why the answer should be "no" rather than "yes".
If it is "no", then we cannot create a dictionary of Voynichese to some known language.
A constructed language is most easily conceived in the form of a dictionary.
If it is "no", then also all types of ciphers are excluded, even the more complicated diplomatic ones.
Essentially all past proposed meaningful solutions assume that some form of dictionary should exist.
Emma Wrote:In the Voynich text, words which might have an ‘ideal’ spelling in isolation are altered in relation to their neighbouring words and their place in a line. This results in a word having multiple different spellings, but which are regular and predictable in a known environment.
Torsten > 02-04-2024, 10:07 PM
(02-04-2024, 12:56 AM)ReneZ Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Is it possible to do a word-by-word substitution of the Voynich MS and come up with a meaningful text?
I see more reasons why the answer should be "no" rather than "yes".
cvetkakocj@rogers.com > 03-04-2024, 05:00 AM
(02-04-2024, 10:07 PM)Torsten Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.A comprehensive linguistic analysis needs to take seriously the possibility that, for example, paiin, saiin, aiin, and am are all positional variants of the same word." [Bowern & Lindemann 2021].The paiin, saiin, aiin, am are not the same words, but only the suffix is the same. In Slovenian language, this suffix stands for the 1. person singular present tense. The words aiin and am can be both read as am or as aiw. Aiw is a suffix for adjectives. This means that the minims have to be read as Dr. Bax suggested. In some words, this can be done based on the short space between the minims, but the best reading is in the context.
Koen G > 03-04-2024, 09:32 AM
nablator > 03-04-2024, 10:21 AM
(02-04-2024, 12:43 PM)ReneZ Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Now, in the frame of my question about a word-by-word substitution:
*if* a word-by-word translation can be ruled out on some basis (that we do not yet have)
merrimacga > 03-04-2024, 05:11 PM
nablator > 03-04-2024, 05:55 PM
(03-04-2024, 05:11 PM)merrimacga Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Can we all agree that the VM is written fluidly by more than one hand?Certainly not.
Hermes777 > 03-04-2024, 06:10 PM
Hermes777 > 03-04-2024, 08:11 PM