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• RE: VM, illuminated and 3D

  nablator > 25-05-2024, 05:46 PM

  (25-05-2024, 03:10 PM)Moonchild Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I wonder, if there is a possibility that the creation of this book began later than the carbon dating of the calfskin .. for example, created at the same time the first microscopes were invented, maybe?

  
  It is unlikely because there are good stylistic and paleographic arguments for the 15th century, also fashion is pre-1430 (see You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. and the Sagittarius thread). The style of illustrations in manuscripts changed dramatically in the 2nd half of the 15th century,  some very striking differences can be spotted easily, like the use of hatching for shading objects to give them a 3D aspect instead of flat.

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  ReneZ > 26-05-2024, 01:37 AM

  (25-05-2024, 04:10 PM)Moonchild Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.In one of Koens Youtube videos, Lisa Fagin Davis says the holes in the manuscript were already there and they used them as part of the illustrations. I thought this made sense. If we look at the holes, they seem pretty big which I assume were damaged over time (years) before the creator(s) decided to use this calfskin..

  
  These holes appear during the process to convert the calf skin to writable parchment.
  In this process, the skin is stretched and scraped with knives, and thin areas can become holes.
  Even mosquito bites can become holes.
  If they are not round, and are likely to create a tear, they may be stitched during the stretching to prevent that.
  All of these cases can be seen in the Voynich MS.
  
  Interestingly, in some other manuscripts, the holes have been 'decorated' to look less ugly, but that is a different thing (You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.).

• RE: VM, illuminated and 3D

  Moonchild > 26-05-2024, 03:54 PM

  Right, I was not thinking of the holes that happened during the process, I was more focused on the insect bites.
  Thanks for clarifying. 
  
  I was wondering if we know which is which regarding the bigger holes?
  
  Are the bigger holes all from the initial process or are some insect bites? If some of the bigger holes are insects bites that happened after the treatment and process, would that help determine an average of when the vellums were used?
  
  I really like the example in the link of the face and the use of the holes : )

• RE: VM, illuminated and 3D

  Moonchild > 28-05-2024, 05:18 PM

  I did not find this same symbol. This bird I think we only see on this first page. I applied my theory and while darkening the page I saw the #5 linked to the bird...

• RE: VM, illuminated and 3D

  Moonchild > 28-05-2024, 05:25 PM

  Regarding the insect bites, I was curious to know about this, if the bigger holes are truly insect bites, if so, the bigger the damage, the longer the vellum was stored.. or the book was not used.. 
  
  Also, is it possible that when Wilfrid Voynich got the cover rebound, he requested to just cover it instead of removing the old cover entirely?

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  Moonchild > 28-05-2024, 05:28 PM

  I found this that might be revealing something when you darken the illustration that shows up see through on the opposite side, we can see some letters..

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  Moonchild > 05-06-2024, 04:33 PM

  Can these plant pages, where the plant shapes look like numbers, give some keys to decipher the text?
  
  Can the text on the folios in the image I am posting need to be read sideways, same direction as we see these numbers?
  
  When blurring the text (see previous posts) we can see letters instead of words. These letters, in many cases are also stylized which to me, seems like a pretty good clue.. 
  
  Let me know your thoughts

• RE: VM, illuminated and 3D

  Moonchild > 08-06-2024, 02:04 AM

  What do you think of this?
  Notice how the letters have serif.. I find this very possible. The faces, to me look unconvincing even if they are there.

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  Moonchild > 10-06-2024, 02:02 AM

  On folio 66r, on the jpg here, there is a shape that really looks like an F and above it too. It fascinates me since it is also stylized meaning it has a serif, and that is a design..
  
  Also in a row next to it, we see these as symbols, as you can see the first one being the letter E.
  It's actually this page that made me think of the rubbing with water since at first glance, you see something that to me looks like a bucket and next to it cloths and I thought maybe this means to rub the letters..
  
  I also wanted to mention the metallic objects I have mentioned many times. This is a good example. On folio 85v, we see the gentleman holding a big chain. Bigger than him.. His body is shaped inwards meaning this is a mechanism that folds. not a person.
  
  On folio 66r when I apply the simulated rubbing, the person becomes a metallic looking object with a little chain attached to it right between the ''Fs''
  
  
  I would really like to know your thoughts : )

• RE: VM, illuminated and 3D

  Koen G > 10-06-2024, 06:52 AM

  (10-06-2024, 02:02 AM)Moonchild Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I would really like to know your thoughts : )

  
  My thoughts remain that there might be other forums out there where methods resonate more.
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