Aga Tentakulus > 22-11-2023, 05:20 AM
Bernd > 22-11-2023, 04:22 PM
(18-11-2023, 03:22 PM)Juan_Sali Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I am quite intrigued by this image as the leaves are clearly identifiable as Paris quardifolia while the flower is also very clearly an Araceae like Arum maculatum or the mediterranean Dracunculus vulgaris. So this illustration mixes two completely different plants.
pedestrian > 22-11-2023, 04:59 PM
(22-11-2023, 04:22 PM)Bernd Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.@Aga Tentaculus
Please do not translate vernacular German plant names to English, no English speaker can make sense of 'seven-pointed star' or 'one-berry'. This is why we have scientific Latin names for organisms which are universally understood in all languages. Or at least use the accepted vernacular English names.
Aga Tentakulus > 22-11-2023, 05:37 PM
Aga Tentakulus > 22-11-2023, 05:42 PM
Koen G > 22-11-2023, 05:53 PM
(22-11-2023, 05:37 PM)Aga Tentakulus Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.But the VM author has drawn very accurately.
Aga Tentakulus > 22-11-2023, 07:25 PM
pedestrian > 22-11-2023, 07:52 PM
(22-11-2023, 05:42 PM)Aga Tentakulus Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.@pedrestian
Did you see that you have a 4 and a 5 sheet example?
4, 5 and 6 leaves are not uncommon.
MarcoP > 22-11-2023, 09:44 PM
(22-11-2023, 04:22 PM)Bernd Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. The Trento herbal also features strange animals as roots. Is the manuscript as a whole available online somewhere?
Juan_Sali > 24-11-2023, 03:13 PM
(20-11-2023, 09:45 AM)Koen G Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Ethel Voynich had this same problem a century ago. Her entry for f5r:Lilium Martagon's drawings of the plant dont match well with You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. and You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
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(Compare [[f15v]])
Something liliaceous? Possibly the Paris; but the drawing suggests a whorl of 9 leaves. Look in MS. If the divisions are midribs, it is probably the Paris.
Later. Have examined MS. It is a whorl of 4 leaves, the colours alternating (dark and light green of upper and under surfaces). There is a suggestion of a fifth leaf; this occasionally occurs. I believe this is the Paris. But also, See Plate 16 left [[f15v]].
See notes + Env. 2 [[Envelope 2 - see footnote 1]]
Strange as this seems, it may be meant for Lilium Martagon. In any case it is the lily family without a doubt.
(I believe 16 left [[f15v]] to be Lilium Martagon. They are related = Liliacae.)
Colouring: light green; calyx green; berry black with white (for bloom?).