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Softcomputing in identification of V.M. by comparison with ancient dialects
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RE: Softcomputing in identification of V.M. by comparison with ancient dialects
nickpelling > 25-03-2023, 08:46 PM
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RE: Softcomputing in identification of V.M. by comparison with ancient dialects
Mark Knowles > 25-03-2023, 08:57 PM
You say: "How do you fell this article?"
("fell" means "feel"?)
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RE: Softcomputing in identification of V.M. by comparison with ancient dialects
pfeaster > 25-03-2023, 09:58 PM
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(25-03-2023, 08:10 PM)rlozi Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.this article can be downloaded freely at
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Can you please check this DOI link?
This one seems to work:
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Or alternatively:
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RE: Softcomputing in identification of V.M. by comparison with ancient dialects
rlozi > 26-03-2023, 11:20 AM
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RE: Softcomputing in identification of V.M. by comparison with ancient dialects
Emma May Smith > 26-03-2023, 11:49 AM
I don't understand why you would use a computer to do this.
Also, from the article:
Quote:This idea is based on the hypothesis that languages gradually evolve and change their graphic form continuously, but not by dramatic leaps.
Languages don't have a "graphic form" but rather a script and orthography. Both can change with dramatic leaps. -
RE: Softcomputing in identification of V.M. by comparison with ancient dialects
rlozi > 26-03-2023, 07:03 PM
(26-03-2023, 11:49 AM)Emma May Smith Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I don't understand why you would use a computer to do this.
Neural networks need a lot of computation. One cannot do that by hand.
Visual comparison is not accurate!
Also, from the article:
Quote:This idea is based on the hypothesis that languages gradually evolve and change their graphic form continuously, but not by dramatic leaps.
Languages don't have a "graphic form" but rather a script and orthography. Both can change with dramatic leaps. -
RE: Softcomputing in identification of V.M. by comparison with ancient dialects
Rafal > 26-03-2023, 07:10 PM
This is one of these results that are scientific, well formed, use advanced math and yet are absolutely useless
So some algorythm counted that Voynich script is most similar to Khojki script from India.
Does it mean that Voynich is written in Khojki? No, it doesn't.
And actually most Voynich symbols are equal or similar to LAtin letters or symbols used in early European ciphers.
It's not the symbols which are the greatest mystery in Voynich. -
RE: Softcomputing in identification of V.M. by comparison with ancient dialects
bi3mw > 07-10-2023, 07:10 PM
(26-03-2023, 07:10 PM)Rafal Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Does it mean that Voynich is written in Khojki? No, it doesn't.
That is correct. However, the authors never claimed that either. Rather, at the end of the article you can read :
Quote:"This is the beginning of this experimental work. Our goal is to collect as many alphabets of different languages and dialects as possible and to measure their similarity to determine at least the probable family of the language to which Voynich’s alphabet belongs."
So the main point of the article is to demonstrate that the methods used are applicable (and reproducible). That Indian scripts and dialects were used here as a basis I would rather see as exemplary.
edit: The given Github - link does not work. The following link might fit best:
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RE: Softcomputing in identification of V.M. by comparison with ancient dialects
ReneZ > 08-10-2023, 12:46 AM
Oh dear...
There is a persistent error in this work, which I had already pointed out to Prof.Zelinka after the first paper on this topic in 2019. This error may not completely invalidate the work, but it certainly will need to be corrected and redone. That is true for all work done on this topic.
The words in the various figures (for example Fig.1 in the new paper lined here) do not exist in the MS.
Where do they come from?
They come from a transliteration in the FSG alphabet, interpreted as if it was the Currier alphabet, and then converted to Eva.
Example:
Take the Voynich word cThor, in Eva: cthor
In a transliteration file using the FSG alphabet this would be written as DZOR.
If one assumes that DZOR is in the Currier alphabet, and coverts it to Eva, then:
D becomes n
Z becomes sh
O becomes o
R becomes r
and the word becomes nshor, or nShor
This is the prominent word in the middle of Fig.1, which should have said cthor.