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• How to distinguish the participle from the declined noun?

  Ruby Novacna > 24-05-2022, 10:54 AM

  If in our manuscript at least part of the text is written in ancient Greek, as I expect, we should be able to distinguish the present participle from the declined noun.
  For example, is the word You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view., which I believe transcribes the word πολων, the participle of the verb πολεω or the declined noun πολος?
  
  If you have some knowledge of ancient Greek, what do you think?

• RE: How to distinguish the participle from the declined noun?

  Helmut Winkler > 24-05-2022, 07:17 PM

  Well. I think it is not possible without context
  
  Just as a side remark: I don't think there is  Greek text

• RE: How to distinguish the participle from the declined noun?

  Ruby Novacna > 24-05-2022, 07:47 PM

  (24-05-2022, 07:17 PM)Helmut Winkler Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I think it is not possible without context

  Thank you, Helmut, although it is rather discouraging, this similarity between the participle and the noun slows down the understanding of the text.
  
  

  (24-05-2022, 07:17 PM)Helmut Winkler Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I don't think there is  Greek text

  I know it well, it's my own hobbyhorse.

• RE: How to distinguish the participle from the declined noun?

  Ruby Novacna > 14-06-2022, 12:18 PM

  I started reading on the net about Greek participles, the topic, apparently, is so vast that I wonder if it is possible to define an clue for our manuscript.

• RE: How to distinguish the participle from the declined noun?

  Ruby Novacna > 23-06-2022, 06:58 AM

  Could the position of the word in the paragraph be a clue?

• RE: How to distinguish the participle from the declined noun?

  davidjackson > 24-06-2022, 08:34 PM

  Well, without sentence markers I don't see how that would be possible.

• RE: How to distinguish the participle from the declined noun?

  Ruby Novacna > 25-06-2022, 05:19 PM

  (24-06-2022, 08:34 PM)davidjackson Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.without sentence markers I don't see how that would be possible

  That's why I said paragraph, or maybe it's better to say lines?

• RE: How to distinguish the participle from the declined noun?

  davidjackson > 25-06-2022, 07:50 PM

  No, because a paragraph could be anything - a group of sentences, prose, rhymes.... or even written backwards.
  So you can't extract any positional information from it.

• RE: How to distinguish the participle from the declined noun?

  Stephen Carlson > 29-06-2022, 09:02 AM

  (24-05-2022, 10:54 AM)Ruby Novacna Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.If in our manuscript at least part of the text is written in ancient Greek, as I expect, we should be able to distinguish the present participle from the declined noun.
  For example, is the word You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view., which I believe transcribes the word πολων, the participle of the verb πολεω or the declined noun πολος?
  
  If you have some knowledge of ancient Greek, what do you think?

  In this case, the noun and participle have different accents: πόλων (genitive plural of the noun πόλος) vs. πολῶν (pres. act. part. of πολέω).
  
  Doesn't always happen (especially with feminine nouns), however, but usually the syntactic context will tell them apart, e.g, they'll take different articles: τῶν πόλων vs. ὁ πολῶν.
  
  PS. I'd love it if it were ancient Greek, but there's nothing resembling Greek syntax in it, like Wackernagel particles, etc.

• RE: How to distinguish the participle from the declined noun?

  Ruby Novacna > 29-06-2022, 11:04 AM

  (29-06-2022, 09:02 AM)Stephen Carlson Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.τῶν πόλων vs. ὁ πολῶν

  Thank you very much, Stephen!
  If I understand correctly, in the absence of accents in the text, we had better watch out for the possible presence of the articles τῶν (daiin) and ὁ (o?).
  

  (29-06-2022, 09:02 AM)Stephen Carlson Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view....there's nothing resembling Greek syntax in it, like Wackernagel particles, etc.

  I don't know any of this, but I'm still optimistic: a few months ago I didn't know how to distinguish a present infinitive.
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