kckluge > 27-04-2022, 09:13 PM
(27-04-2022, 11:30 AM)Ruby Novacna Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.(27-04-2022, 12:44 AM)kckluge Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.if you take some set of 12th cent. Persian texts and map them to Voynich glyphs using his theoryWhy you should map Persian texts in Voynich glyphs? Can't you calculate their entropy directly?
(27-04-2022, 11:30 AM)Ruby Novacna Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.(27-04-2022, 12:44 AM)kckluge Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.it's an issue of methodologySpeaking of methodology, the translation you mention, which I have just looked at, has not matured to be subject to testing: I have not even found matches between the transcription, in EVA, for example, and the proposed translation, unless the page exists and I have not seen it.
Ruby Novacna > 27-04-2022, 10:27 PM
(27-04-2022, 09:13 PM)kckluge Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.it would still be the case that purely on the basis of the claimed mapping from Persian script characters to Voynich glyphs and the supposed null removal method it would be possible to perform the entropy comparisons suggested.In this case there is no need to use heavy tools to see that the work is in its early stages and the data is not (yet) reliable.
kckluge > 28-04-2022, 04:51 PM
(27-04-2022, 02:26 AM)kckluge Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.* With regard to the whole are "words" _words_ issue -- I've seen lots of papers talk about Voynich "words" and Zipf's (word frequency vs word frequency rank) Law. There is a different Zip's Law relating word length vs word frequency rank -- more frequent words are also shorter (a ref for anyone wanting to pull on that thread is You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.) -- has anyone every fit that vs. the Voynich vocabulary?
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MarcoP > 29-04-2022, 08:35 AM
Lindemann and Bowern Wrote:The usage of abbreviations and special characters has the effect of raising the conditional character entropy of the English, Icelandic, and Latin texts and taking them further from the values we find for Voynichese.
Koen G > 29-04-2022, 08:44 AM
Juan_Sali > 29-04-2022, 11:13 AM
(27-04-2022, 02:26 AM)kckluge Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view., tiThe second type is where some plaintext letters map to a single glyphs, while some map to 2-(or 3- or more glyph combos -- so plaintext 'C' might map to Currier "OP", while plaintext 'K' might map to Currier "P". A straddling checkerboard is a (from the point of view of the C-14 date somewhat anachronistic) cipher of this type (You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. shows examples). The problem this raises is that if you have "CLOCK" as a plaintext word, then the "CK" at the end would result in "OPP" in the Voynich text given the hypothetical mappings -- and except for Currier 'C', repeated glyphs vanishingly rare -- out of 35483 digrams in (D'Imperio's) BioB, there are 15 that are doubled glyphs other than "CC". So either there just miraculously happens to be a natural language whose letter contact stats allow a mapping that avoids that problem, or there is some mechanism in the cipher that hides such doubled glyphs -- perhaps the difference between Currier "OF" and "OP" isn't that they map to different plaintext letters, perhaps "OF" is what you write where "OPP" would otherwise occur. Or maybe the verbose cipher theory is just fundamentally wrong...You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view., this cipher is very interesting. Consider that someone doesnt know what arabic numbers are, thinks that glyphs of this chiper are 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,0, and make entropy analysis based on them. What will be the result? A low entropy compared with a natural language.
RenegadeHealer > 29-04-2022, 04:14 PM