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RE: The Voynich Cipher Disk
Aga Tentakulus > 23-04-2022, 03:54 AM
I mis my C 64 -
RE: The Voynich Cipher Disk
davidjackson > 23-04-2022, 06:36 AM
Hi vfind!
May I ask why you haven't tried your system out on some real voynich text? Is it because you don't speak Turkish or some other reason?
By the way, Ottoman is the empire, not the language. -
RE: The Voynich Cipher Disk
DONJCH > 23-04-2022, 07:03 AM
Hello Vfind,
Can you translate the circular text on v71r? -
RE: The Voynich Cipher Disk
MarcoP > 23-04-2022, 09:19 AM
I see nothing really new here.
The good part of the paper appears to be derived from Rene's work You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.: three concentric wheels with Voynichese prefixes, stems and suffixes form a verbose cipher that could encode the letters of an ordinary alphabet. A while ago, I illustrated the idea in You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. ("ant" is encoded as "qokedy"). In his paper, Rene discusses some of the potential problems with this idea.
The bad parts (e.g. a general disregard for the importance of grammar, applying Google translate to "a long-lost ancient language" about which the author "has no knowledge") have sadly been seen before in different places. -
RE: The Voynich Cipher Disk
Vfind > 23-04-2022, 06:45 PM
Hi everyone,
From the number of views I see that you are interested in solid information about the VM so I will step you trough.
Just keep an open mind and forget everything you read before (if you can’t read something else).
I suppose you have looked at the book and noticed that beside some double pages there is only one big fold out, the ROS page. Covering 6 pages this is obviously the most important page of the book. Seeing buildings, walls, and blue water ways we deduct: it is a fold out map. Ancient maps were centered on ones hometown and the circles represented the corners of the world (check the internet). The center of the map shows four Islamic minarets (not the mosque itself!), and the European or Asian castles are in the corners. This identifies the hometown was an Islamic state, and the only such at the time was the Ottoman Empire. On many pages women are depicted with for that time unique Ottoman fore-head ornaments and hairstyle.
Several Ottoman characters are shown on 57v and 66r, with letter Waw (w, v, o, u) that looks like a nine, used in the VM 17,000 times in same positions at beginning and end of words like in Ottoman or todays Arabic.
LOOK at all these convincing facts yourself using the links in the article.
In 1453, Mehmed II conquered his new capital Constantinople, and transformed 1000 year old Hagia Sophia Cathedral into a mosque by building Islamic minarets around it. The ROS page accurately represents this millennium event showing the minarets while omitting the cathedral, the symbol of the enemy's religion.
The Ottomans had secret knowledge of the trade routes to America and Asia before Columbus, as evidenced by the Piri Reis map, a 1513 document compiled from much older documents. American native plants are depicted in the VM.
This should do, because:
So far no one presented any other visible proof for the location of the book’s creators.
Tomorrow we will look at the encoding.
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RE: The Voynich Cipher Disk
Emma May Smith > 23-04-2022, 07:41 PM
The Hagia Sophia didn't have four minarets until around 1570. This puts such a depiction significantly later than the established date of the manuscript.
(23-04-2022, 06:45 PM)Vfind Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view....
In 1453, Mehmed II conquered his new capital Constantinople, and transformed 1000 year old Hagia Sophia Cathedral into a mosque by building Islamic minarets around it. The ROS page accurately represents this millennium event showing the minarets while omitting the cathedral, the symbol of the enemy's religion.
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RE: The Voynich Cipher Disk
R. Sale > 23-04-2022, 07:59 PM
How do you reconcile with the Carbon-14 dating of the VMs parchment with a most probable date between 1404 and 1438? Events after 1450 may not be relevant to the content of the VMs.
In 1453, the Byzantine Empire came to an end. There was, however, a lot of contact before that. The Genoese had been in the Black Sea for a century. The counts of Flanders became rulers of the Latin era of earlier Constantinople. The history of the early 1400s is quite interesting, because that is where the greater probability of VMs origins should be. <Of course, there are the lesser probabilities (after 1450), but they require better evidence.>
The first picture you posted is from the central rosette. Any ideas or suggestions for something that might be hidden beneath the starry canopy? Any clues at all??
An alternate interpretation of the central rosette image is that the starry canopy is held up by six supports, four in the front and two others (much obscured) in the back. And that's the first clue; it's hexagonal. -
RE: The Voynich Cipher Disk
davidjackson > 23-04-2022, 08:13 PM
I was a bit doubtful about your illustration of the red headed lady in "a typical Ottoman headdress", so I ran it through Google images.
Turns out the nice lady is a character from the online role playing game for "A land of fire and ice" called Lady Nymella Toland. Not, I suggest, a great example for your theory. Not does she appear to have anything to do with the Ottomans in the 15th century.
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RE: The Voynich Cipher Disk
Aga Tentakulus > 23-04-2022, 10:09 PM
Clues?
Here is something I have never shown before.
This is exactly the crown you see in the VM.
Once you know where to look, it's not so hard.
This is a Habsburg crown in front of the imperial title.
Castle and coat of arms.