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• RE: Combination of pch glyphs

  Ruby Novacna > 29-07-2022, 09:57 AM

  I read the combination cph as pch, but if the text is Greek, as I hope it is, how is the letter psi transcribed? I should, perhaps, revise all the words containing cph?

• RE: Combination of pch glyphs

  Ruby Novacna > 12-08-2022, 01:21 PM

  I have just You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. the words pchocthy (3A) and cphocthy (1?) as phoebe9 for Greek Φοιβειος or Latin Phœbeus. In both cases the meaning is the same: 'belonging to or dedicated to Apollo (Phoebus)'.
  Do these two combinations indicate two different languages, Greek and Latin?

• RE: Combination of pch glyphs

  Ruby Novacna > 18-08-2022, 06:09 PM

  I spent a few days copying words in the text that contain the combination pch. Unless I am mistaken, there are 313 types of words. Of course, some of them may be corrected in the long term, and for others we may find the family links, to shorten the list. 
  For the moment I have only proposed to read about forty of the words, mostly in Greek, although several of these words also exist in Latin.

• RE: Combination of pch glyphs

  Ruby Novacna > 25-08-2022, 09:28 AM

  My list of words containing the pch glyphs counts today 284 present on voynichese and 30 which are still to be found and checked. Out of the 284, which represent 745 occurrences in total, only one third are repeated 2 times or more, two thirds are unique words.

• RE: Combination of pch glyphs

  Ruby Novacna > 27-08-2022, 02:59 PM

  I added the reading of the You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. of my list containing the combination pch :
  
  

  1. pchedy (34) – phi89 - φιτυς – begetter, father ; φυτας – young offspring; φυτος – formed by nature, natural; fruitful
     
  2. pchedar (11) – phi8ar – φυτας - young offspring
     
  3. pchedal (2) – phi8a(i) - φυται, fem pl of φυτος - formed by nature, natural; fruitful
     
  4. pchedaiin (4) - phi8aun – φυτων - vineyard; gen pl of φυτον –  plant;  sucker; offshoot, child; creature; gen pl of φυτος - formed by nature, natural; fruitful
     

• RE: Combination of pch glyphs

  Ruby Novacna > 04-09-2022, 12:15 PM

  I have added the possible reading of four words containing pch:
  
  

  1. pchy - φη or φως,
     
  2. pchey - φεως, φυη or φυος,
     
  3. pcheey - φυη or φυος,
     
  4. spchy - σφη or σφος.
     

  Of course, with several possible readings for each EVA word, we are still far from understanding the text, especially as some Greek words can have several meanings, for example the word φυη can be a verb and a noun.

• RE: Combination of pch glyphs

  Ruby Novacna > 08-10-2022, 05:36 PM

  I You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. on the list of words containing the combination pch that cannot be read in Greek or Latin without slight modifications.
  - shopchey (2, 1/1),
  - shopcho (2),
  - shopchy (2A)
  - shorpchor (1A).
  
  We have several possible modifications;
  1. read pch as p
  2. read pch as p+voyelle,
  3. read o as a,
  4. read sh as ch.
  Which modification do you think would be the most appropriate?

• RE: Combination of pch glyphs

  Ruby Novacna > 09-10-2022, 05:29 PM

  By replacing sh with ch we find a possibility of giving meaning to the word shopcho which appears on two “zodiac” pages. 
  Shopcho would be chopcho – κωφοω – to weaken, I think this is a term that could well appear in the text of a “horoscope”.

• RE: Combination of pch glyphs

  Ruby Novacna > 04-11-2022, 10:23 PM

  (19-04-2022, 11:21 AM)nablator Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Could there be any reason for most of them to be exclusively the first words of paragraphs? I know pchdy does appear elsewhere and pchdeedy is in a circular text but ignoring the problem with the other vords that you list (and more generally, p and f gallows appearing mostly on first lines of paragraphs) does not inspire confidence.

  If the glyph p EVA only appears on the first lines of the paragraphs, perhaps we should treat the first lines and the rest of the paragraphs separately?
  For example, in the "recipes" section, the first lines would be written in Greek and would represent the title and summary of the paragraph that follows. The text of the paragraphs would be written in a language that does not have a p?

• RE: Combination of pch glyphs

  Ruby Novacna > 19-11-2022, 03:54 PM

  The Byzantine Greek dictionary, LBG, Lexikon zur byzantinischen Gräzität, gives for the word οφαλος the meaning ομφαλος - navel. This is, perhaps, a better reading of the word opchaly on page 76, which I had previously read as οφελος -utility, benefit, profit.
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