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• Analysis of circular text?

  R. Sale > 25-03-2022, 06:54 PM

  If VMs text is distinguished by format into three types: 1) standard, horizontal text, 2) circular text, and 3) labels; has there been a separate analysis of the circular text and a comparison with the horizontal portion?

• RE: Analysis of circular text?

  bi3mw > 25-03-2022, 08:02 PM

  (25-03-2022, 06:54 PM)R. Sale Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.has there been a separate analysis of the circular text and a comparison with the horizontal portion?

  
  What should the comparison specifically refer to (for example, typeface, text statistics, or possibly context with pictorial representations ) ?

• RE: Analysis of circular text?

  RobGea > 25-03-2022, 08:58 PM

  (25-03-2022, 06:54 PM)R. Sale Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.... has there been a separate analysis of the circular text ...?

  
  That is a good question,
  as far as i'm aware there is no study or stats on the circular text,
  though this is the VMS we are talking about so i bet someone,somewhere has done something in this vein.
  
  Aha, theres a little bit here , oh and a loci classifier for circular text.
  See: Sub heading 'Inventory of the transliterated text' on 'Text Analysis - Transliteration of the Text' on voynich.nu
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• RE: Analysis of circular text?

  R. Sale > 25-03-2022, 09:18 PM

  Comparative vocabulary would be a start. Is there some measure by which the horizontal and the circular texts can be shown to differ? And perhaps the parts written by individual scribes can be further examined.
  
  Some pages have a fair amount of circular text. Is there a common vocabulary among these examples or does each page stand alone?
  
  It seems to me that most text analysis is based of aggregated information, when, perhaps, there needs to be more examination of individual text segments. The various circular texts comprise predetermined text segments.

• RE: Analysis of circular text?

  RobGea > 25-03-2022, 09:21 PM

  _<fRos.114,+Ca>    <!below clock><!06:30>o.dar.[aiird:???]
  
  Wow that's neat ,never knew that, the only circular text written in a counter-clockwise direction:
  Source:
  #=IVTFF Eva- 1.7
  # ZL transliteration file, updated from EVMT project
  # Version 1r of 11/04/2020

• RE: Analysis of circular text?

  Anton > 25-03-2022, 09:35 PM

  I agree that that's a good idea about the comparative vocabulary. When writing that post about the spatial split, I thought of whether the vord statistics of labels and of circular text on one and the same folio would differ.
  
  The foremost thing would be simply the plain number of vords in the two subsets within the same folio.
  
  I understand that this is not exactly what R.Sale has in mind, but just would like to point one possible avenue of research.

• RE: Analysis of circular text?

  pfeaster > 25-03-2022, 11:43 PM

  (25-03-2022, 06:54 PM)R. Sale Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.If VMs text is distinguished by format into three types: 1) standard, horizontal text, 2) circular text, and 3) labels; has there been a separate analysis of the circular text and a comparison with the horizontal portion?

  
  A few months ago when I was trying to investigate positional patterns in "paragraphic" text, I tried a similar analysis of circular text, setting position clockwise "around the circle" equivalent to position from left to right in a line and position "outward from center" equivalent to line numbers in paragraphs.
  
  I didn't find any comparable patterns at all.

• RE: Analysis of circular text?

  RobGea > 26-03-2022, 12:20 AM

  I just quickly made this with some code that was laying around, i in no way vouch for its accuracy. (Used TT transcription)
  
  

  Code:

  Circular text(Ct)      Ct-rank        all-text rank
word count 1974                        word count 37759
count  word
47      ar               r1            r8
40      al               r2            r18
40      aiin             r3            r4
27      oteey            r4            r42
27      dar              r5            r10
22      dal              r6            r19
19      oteos            r7            r200
19      daiin            r8            r1
18      o                r9            r75
18      dy              r10            r16

  
  Observations:
  The lovable 'daiin' drops from 1st in all-text  to  8th in the circular text.
  'oteos', 'oteey' and 'o' all rise from the depths to put in an appearance in the Circular Top10.
  'aiin' barely moves.
  The subset of circular-text is waaay smaller than all-text.
  
  Hopefully someone with more skills can do a better job than this.

• RE: Analysis of circular text?

  R. Sale > 26-03-2022, 01:06 AM

  I really know almost nothing about text analysis, but take a look at the 'daiin' distribution RobGea found. That's distinctively one-sided. Surely those familiar with text analysis may see much more.
  
  I am mainly interested in the banded text of VMs White Aries. And one thing I noticed there was that the glyphs that were used seem to come from the first part of the 4 x 17 glyph sequence. That limitation may apply to other circular texts from the VMs Zodiac, and perhaps in other circles. Do benched gallows distribute evenly in different formats?
  
  What is the relative size of the horizontal, circular and label formats?
  
  The existence of so many short vords in the in the top ten is problematic in that it is difficult to evaluate the significance of short words generally. By default ,we are left with the hope that the longer words carry more 'meaning'. There needs to be a top ten or 20 for vords that are 5+ glyphs in length. Then see how the examples are distributed.

• RE: Analysis of circular text?

  Anton > 26-03-2022, 02:30 AM

  (26-03-2022, 12:20 AM)RobGea Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.The subset of circular-text is waaay smaller than all-text.

  
  1974 and 37759 are, I guess, total vord counts? What are unique vord counts, is it possible to calculate?
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