julian > 30-07-2021, 06:16 PM
Emma May Smith > 30-07-2021, 07:14 PM
Koen G > 30-07-2021, 09:23 PM
RenegadeHealer > 30-07-2021, 11:31 PM
julian's blog Wrote:[font=Verdana, 'BitStream vera Sans', Helvetica, sans-serif]The number of glyphs that follow a benched Gallows is typically 3, before the next Gallows is encountered. For un-benched Gallows, this number is typically 5 to 7[font=-apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont]. This does not enthusiastically support the hypothesis that the benched Gallows are simply the same as un-benched gallows with the two adjoining glyphs written separately. For example, take a common sequence, with 7 intervening glyphs:[/font][/font]
pxxxxxxxp
is clearly not equivalent to the common sequence for benched of:
PxxxP
since PxxxP written as un-benched would be
cphxxxcph
[font=Verdana, 'BitStream vera Sans', Helvetica, sans-serif]which only has 5 intervening glyphs.[/font]
julian > 30-07-2021, 11:46 PM
(30-07-2021, 09:23 PM)Koen G Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Hi Julian, great to see you posting again!
Did you use unmodified Eva? Do you think certain different parcing choices would impact the results? For example ch, sh, iin... could be meant as single glyphs.
Obviously the overall numbers would be lower if things like the bench are treated as one glyph instead of two. But might this also change the relation between the different gallows?
julian > 31-07-2021, 12:13 AM
(30-07-2021, 11:31 PM)RenegadeHealer Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Hi Julian. I wasn't involved with the VMs when you were last active, but I've read your whole blog through a couple of times and am a big fan of your work. Let's just say I have a very good feeling about that recent paper by Rene Zandbergen. I'm not much one for cargo cults, but it seems like this paper is attracting a number of serious veteran VMs researchers back to the discussion table. I'm half expecting Prof Jorge Stolfi to show up and comment on it. If he does, I'd feel comfortable saying a breakthrough is not far away.
I lied. I love a good cargo cult. If everybody could help me out by saying his name in their comments, it makes the mojo stronger, and he's more likely to find this thread and show up, by the power of SEO.
(Interesting analysis clipped)
Another area for improvement is to exclude Grove words from all the counts. I don't think the gallows that make Grove words have anything to do with the gallows that occur anywhere else in the manuscript.
MarcoP > 31-07-2021, 07:47 AM
nablator > 31-07-2021, 11:53 AM
(30-07-2021, 06:16 PM)julian Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.One goal was to see whether the counts supported the idea that the benched gallows are just another way of writing their un-benched versions: the evidence I found doesn't strongly support that.
Quote:Another goal was to see whether there are differences in the distributions of number of glyphs following EVA p, k, f and t. It turns out that statistically there is a difference: EVA t , k tend to be followed by 5 glyphs before the next gallows is written, and EVA f, p tend to be followed by 6 or 7 glyphs.
MarcoP > 31-07-2021, 01:01 PM
(31-07-2021, 11:53 AM)nablator Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.julian Wrote:Another goal was to see whether there are differences in the distributions of number of glyphs following EVA p, k, f and t. It turns out that statistically there is a difference: EVA t , k tend to be followed by 5 glyphs before the next gallows is written, and EVA f, p tend to be followed by 6 or 7 glyphs.
That's probably because words are longer (or p/f are inserted) on the first lines of paragraphs.
MichelleL11 > 31-07-2021, 04:48 PM
(31-07-2021, 12:13 AM)Renegade Healer Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Another area for improvement is to exclude Grove words from all the counts. I don't think the gallows that make Grove words have anything to do with the gallows that occur anywhere else in the manuscript.