Koen G > 15-04-2021, 12:02 AM
RenegadeHealer > 15-04-2021, 12:14 AM
(14-04-2021, 09:50 PM)geoffreycaveney Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.It is not a pleasant experience to have one's mistakes caught and pointed out, but if one wants to accomplish something as difficult as deciphering the Voynich manuscript text, it is very likely going to be a necessary and unavoidable part of the process.
geoffreycaveney Wrote:I admit that I do see Voynich Ninja as one big brainstorming session, and I view my posts about my theories as my contributions to that brainstorming session. There is a principle that some teams of colleagues adopt in brainstorming sessions, called "Say everything".
Mark Knowles > 22-04-2021, 01:11 PM
(13-04-2021, 01:51 PM)ReneZ Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.(12-04-2021, 08:14 PM)ReneZ Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.It would be of great interest to have a historical example of this.I had a quick look at what Mark sent me by E-mail, but what I saw is not at all evidence of reducing entropy - quite the contrary.
(12-04-2021, 08:14 PM)ReneZ Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.(12-04-2021, 05:41 PM)Mark Knowles Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.It is perfectly possible for a cipher to decrease entropy.
It would be of great interest to have a historical example of this.
Mark Knowles > 22-04-2021, 02:54 PM
ReneZ > 22-04-2021, 08:21 PM
Mark Knowles > 24-04-2021, 05:12 PM
(22-04-2021, 08:21 PM)ReneZ Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I don't know how I can reasonably discuss a private E-mail based on non-disclosable images here.
You have examples of encrypted texts using diplomatic ciphers, so it is just a matter of sitting down and doing the entropy calculation. That should be more useful than just philosophising about it.
davidjackson > 24-04-2021, 10:10 PM
(24-04-2021, 05:12 PM)Mark Knowles Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Generally my impression is that when people publish things on the Ninja forum they are images from documents already freely available online.I think You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. clears that up.
-JKP- > 24-04-2021, 10:42 PM
geoffreycaveney > 27-04-2021, 10:51 AM
(13-04-2021, 01:51 PM)ReneZ Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.(12-04-2021, 08:14 PM)ReneZ Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.It would be of great interest to have a historical example of this.
I saw two answers to this.
Morse code is of course not a cipher, and modern (not historical in the sense of our problem).
I had a quick look at what Mark sent me by E-mail, but what I saw is not at all evidence of reducing entropy - quite the contrary.
Mark Knowles > 27-04-2021, 12:45 PM
(22-04-2021, 08:21 PM)ReneZ Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I get a lot of E-mails...