geoffreycaveney > 29-09-2020, 08:25 PM
(29-09-2020, 07:59 PM)RenegadeHealer Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.That’s going out on kind of a slender limb, then, to allow this degree of freedom.
Quote:Have you tried sorting the words of a Czech or Sorbian text from the Middle Ages by frequency rank order, converting this using your model to Voynichese, and seeing if words (well, vords at this point) occur with any regularity in the VMs? If so, do they seem to occur in similar line, paragraph, and page contexts as they do in your Slavic codex? Things should start looking pretty promising on these fronts pretty quickly, if this model is worth exploring and refining further.
geoffreycaveney > 29-09-2020, 10:30 PM
(29-09-2020, 07:51 PM)aStobbart Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I see you omitted the text next to the nymphs, the fact that the text is in a different orientation makes me think it must be related to the drawning. I allways tought of it as labels or maybe a description.
This is the text according to the Takeshi transcription:
Quote:sal okeedyWhat do you think? Could you make an interpretation using your system?
daly ychey
sols daro
ychty
saino
saldy
dainy
RenegadeHealer > 29-09-2020, 10:34 PM
geoffreycaveney Wrote:Let me be blunt: I was breaking my own rules of my own system to give you the quick speculative guess of the "without you" meaning for <béz bas>. I hope my system as a whole is not judged by this one possible little mistake of mine. I will try to be more careful.
geoffreycaveney Wrote:That would be an excellent research project for me to investigate. But keep in mind that there are many different types of medieval texts, and some may match more closely with the Voynich ms text, while others may not. The classic examples of written Czech in the time period of the Voynich ms would be the works of Jan Hus. But Hus was not writing herbals or pharmacological manuals or recipe collections or astrological / cosmological works or stories about bathing naked women. Still, the comparison of word frequency ranks could be of general interest and relevance.
geoffreycaveney > 02-10-2020, 05:13 PM
ReneZ > 02-10-2020, 06:53 PM
geoffreycaveney > 02-10-2020, 07:11 PM
(02-10-2020, 06:53 PM)ReneZ Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.The diacritical marks in Czech are modern.
ReneZ > 02-10-2020, 07:32 PM
MichelleL11 > 02-10-2020, 07:49 PM
(02-10-2020, 07:11 PM)geoffreycaveney Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.(02-10-2020, 06:53 PM)ReneZ Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.The diacritical marks in Czech are modern.
The diacritical marks in Czech were first introduced in You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view., published between 1406 and 1412 and traditionally attributed to Jan Hus. In this orthography, "Diacritics replaced digraphs almost completely." (Wikipedia has a brief summary of the history of Czech orthography You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view..)
geoffreycaveney > 02-10-2020, 09:01 PM
(02-10-2020, 07:49 PM)MichelleL11 Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.(02-10-2020, 07:11 PM)geoffreycaveney Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.The diacritical marks in Czech were first introduced in You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view., published between 1406 and 1412 and traditionally attributed to Jan Hus. In this orthography, "Diacritics replaced digraphs almost completely." (Wikipedia has a brief summary of the history of Czech orthography You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view..)Not that the VM text needs any more unfounded speculation as to the reasonings behind its development, but could it represent some sort of parallel attempt at simplifying Czech orthography that did not catch on? The dates involved are appealing.
Are there other aspects of the book (besides this possible model of the text) that would point to a Czech origin?
RenegadeHealer > 02-10-2020, 11:55 PM
(02-10-2020, 09:01 PM)geoffreycaveney Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.As for the connection to the Czech orthographical reform of the same time period, I would rather say, at most, that the VM could have been inspired by the same general social atmosphere in the region that inspired the tumultuous period of Jan Hus's life and the aftermath of his execution in Bohemia in the early 15th century. The Hussite Wars were one of the greatest and most significant social upheavals in all of late medieval Europe. The new orthography was related to demands for ecclesiastical reform and greater popular access to religious and other literature written in the spoken vernacular language of the people rather than in Latin. This went hand in hand with demands for reforms reducing the power of the church hierarchy and the clergy.