Mark Knowles > 24-09-2020, 07:33 PM
(24-09-2020, 05:51 PM)-JKP- Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.(24-09-2020, 10:32 AM)Mark Knowles Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.(24-09-2020, 02:03 AM)Voynichgibberish Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.[/font]Quote: doesn't matter, it could be a reference label, an abbreviation, or an adjective rather than a noun
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- Where can one find the thing to which it refers? It might be a location on a page. In the middle ages, they did use location markers (section a, b, c, or d referring to a quadrant of the same page or of another page). They also used several different (and cryptic-looking) systems to refer to Biblical passages. Everyone knew what they meant. In Greek manuscripts numeric labels were quite common.
- Brief abbreviations are only useless if you are not familiar with them. I see brief abbreviations in thousands of manuscripts. They are very common. Maps often have them also. Words are very frequently truncated or chopped into pieces.
- It's very easy for different adjectives to apply to different drawings. Words like hot and cold, wet and dry were applied to everything in the middle ages. Verbs, also. Words like grind, powder, mix, and soak.
-JKP- > 24-09-2020, 07:56 PM
(24-09-2020, 10:32 AM)Mark Knowles Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.(3) Again one has to consider what different adjectives could be in practice given the very different drawings. I don't see how words like hot and cold, wet and dry could apply to multiple of the kind of drawings that we see in the Voynich in a meaningful way and verbs like [font=Tahoma, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif]grind, powder, mix, and soak even less so. Words like good and bad are so simple that they seem relatively useless in these contexts.[/font]
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Mark Knowles > 24-09-2020, 08:59 PM
(24-09-2020, 07:56 PM)-JKP- Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.There are numerous medieval plant books in which every single plant is identified as being wet or dry, hot or cold, and sometimes the degree to which this is true is also included. In others, the wet/dry/hot/cold descriptions are not mentioned for every plant, they are applied sporadically. wet/dry/hot/cold were sometimes applied to other things besides plants (one sometimes sees it in cosmology books, as well).
Koen G > 24-09-2020, 09:06 PM
(24-09-2020, 01:11 PM)Anton Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Dear all,
Let me take the opportuniity to once again encourage you to shorten quotes. While on the desktop it looks so-so, on mobiles lengthy quotes take ages to scroll down, and it's hard to distinguish who wrote what.
Here are two useful hints:
1) While preparing your post, you can edit the quoted text within the quote, deleting everything that's not directly relevant
2) There's the You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. functionality.
-JKP- > 24-09-2020, 10:54 PM
(24-09-2020, 08:59 PM)Mark Knowles Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
Mark Knowles > 24-09-2020, 10:55 PM
(24-09-2020, 10:54 PM)-JKP- Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Maybe to modern thinking, but wet/dry hot/cold was absolutely integral to medieval thinking. EVERYTHING was classified this way. And not just wet/dry hot/cold, but sometimes also c 3, w 2 (cold to the 3rd degree, wet to the 2nd degree). Galen and Aristotle had enormous influence over medieval ways of perceiving the properties of things.
The same is true for good and bad. Every day of the year was classified as good or bad, according to the stars and manuscripts have lists and lists of good and bad days.
Mark Knowles > 24-09-2020, 11:06 PM
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Mark Knowles > 25-09-2020, 12:42 AM
(25-09-2020, 12:38 AM)-JKP- Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Mark, I'm not talking "in theory". I am describing things I have frequently seen in manuscripts. I've looked at literally thousands of them.
-JKP- > 25-09-2020, 12:44 AM