kckluge > 28-05-2022, 09:14 PM
(15-09-2020, 10:05 PM)geoffreycaveney Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Taking account of the entire resulting inventory of the remaining single characters, plus all of Koen's bigrams, trigrams, and n-grams above, in this way we have produced a character "alphabet" of about 25 values:
[e], [y]
[d], [k], [t]
[s], [l], [r]
[ch], [sh]
[ain], [aiin], [aiiin]
[air], [ar], [al], [am]
[or], [ol]
[ok], [ot], [od]
[qo], [qok], [qot]
Of course there are a handful of additional rare characters/letters as well. But the above inventory should account for the overwhelmingly vast majority of the Voynich ms text.
Koen G > 28-05-2022, 10:05 PM
MarcoP > 29-05-2022, 11:04 AM
nickpelling > 29-05-2022, 01:52 PM
kckluge > 30-05-2022, 08:14 PM
(29-05-2022, 01:52 PM)nickpelling Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.We do have specific instances of sequentially repeating pairs, most notably 'or' on the first two lines of f15v. That suggests a verbose cipher mechanism is in play, enciphering Roman numbers e.g. iii or xxx. Or perhaps, as Cicco Simonetta's rules would imply, a writer with a thing for eggs. :-)
kckluge > 30-05-2022, 08:47 PM
(29-05-2022, 11:04 AM)MarcoP Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.[...]Rene suggested that the hypothetical verbose cipher should then be homophonic (or, I add, include nulls). Maybe it is possible that the scribe, having different options to encode the most frequent characters and/or being able to add nulls, could make his choice in such a way that repeated characters are avoided, solving the problem pointed out by kckluge. This scenario seems to imply that the encoder had a conscious or unconscious idea of how Voynich words should look like and tried to stick to it (something comparable with Timm and Schinner's theory?).
Another issue with Geoffrey's list is that decoding is not deterministic: e.g. [qok] can encode a single character, or two characters as [qo][k]. Same for [qot] vs [qo][t].
Also, treating '[e]' as encoding a plain-text character is not compatible with the many occurrences of 'eee'.
Scarecrow > 06-06-2022, 01:12 PM
Searcher > 06-06-2022, 02:05 PM
(06-06-2022, 01:12 PM)Scarecrow Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.While talking about verbosity and repetitions (or missing ones), could someone explain these apparent repetitions in this document fragment, in Greek minuscole I believe.As much as I see, it is αλλα ( apocopic αλλ') that means other, else, more.
Ruby Novacna > 06-06-2022, 02:41 PM