MarcoP > 20-05-2022, 11:27 AM
(20-05-2022, 07:24 AM)Koen G Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.(19-05-2022, 06:31 PM)MarcoP Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I think that treating space as a character is anachronistic.
What do you mean by this, Marco? Does it also mean that they were unlikely to introduce extra spaces?
plain-text: THIS_IS_UNLIKELY
cipherText: ar_qo_qokey_alys
(20-05-2022, 07:24 AM)Koen G Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Does it also mean that they were unlikely to introduce extra spaces?
(20-05-2022, 07:24 AM)Koen G Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.It feels to me like keeping space as a character in entropy calculations is a way to include word boundaries. E.g. the fact that "y" is often at the end of the word is a useful statistic that can be included.
Koen G > 20-05-2022, 11:48 AM
MarcoP > 20-05-2022, 11:57 AM
(20-05-2022, 11:48 AM)Koen G Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I'll quickly come up with a concrete example. Say that for some reason they assigned plaintext "o" to EVA-y. Now, EVA-y is a glyph with a "swoop", so it feels "end of word" to the scribe, so they leave a space. Like that, the scribe introduces a verbose system where [o] is turned into [y_], without actually having the mental concept of space as a character.
Koen G > 20-05-2022, 12:08 PM
Aga Tentakulus > 20-05-2022, 02:26 PM
cvetkakocj@rogers.com > 20-05-2022, 03:16 PM
(20-05-2022, 02:26 PM)Aga Tentakulus Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Actually, I don't understand the thinking, and the theory.
If "EVA y" = "9" and it is considered "zero or blank", how can such a position be explained.
And if "EVA y" can stand where alone at the connection "8y", then it is only "8" with two blanks.
None of this makes sense to me. Since for me the "EVA y" does exactly what it is supposed to do. ( Various possibilities open )
Aga Tentakulus > 20-05-2022, 03:32 PM
Juan_Sali > 20-05-2022, 07:04 PM
(20-05-2022, 11:48 AM)Koen G Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.One option I think is missing from your overview is that the VM plays around with the room left between certain glyphs or glyph combinations. Sometimes there is a small space, sometimes a big one, sometimes it's confusing. So what about a scenario where they are converting their plaintext to Voynichese, and for some reason leave more space after certain glyphs independent of whether or not they were at the end of the word?In my opinion the small spaces are made intentionally. The spaces are a way to separate monograms/bigrams/trigrams, a way to cut a sequence and start a new one. The small spaces make it more difficult to decide if it is a monogram, a bigram or trigram, depending of the spacing or not spacing the result is different.
Koen G > 20-05-2022, 09:01 PM
Aga Tentakulus > 20-05-2022, 11:38 PM