Koen G > 26-08-2020, 09:31 AM
-JKP- > 26-08-2020, 11:59 AM
Ruby Novacna > 26-08-2020, 02:15 PM
nablator > 26-08-2020, 02:33 PM
(26-08-2020, 09:31 AM)Koen G Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
- A more complex cipher. I use the word cipher here with purpose, because it carries within it the intention to obfuscate. If the same principles apply to the imagery, this would mean it is obfuscated as well, it does not speak plainly. Whether this is done out of fear, secrecy, exercise or boredom doesn't really matter. If the imagery is like a complex cipher, what can we expect of it?
Koen G > 26-08-2020, 03:36 PM
(26-08-2020, 02:15 PM)Ruby Novacna Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Koen, can you affirm that you master all European languages, even the extinct ones?
MichelleL11 > 26-08-2020, 04:55 PM
(26-08-2020, 02:33 PM)nablator Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.(26-08-2020, 09:31 AM)Koen G Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
- A more complex cipher. I use the word cipher here with purpose, because it carries within it the intention to obfuscate. If the same principles apply to the imagery, this would mean it is obfuscated as well, it does not speak plainly. Whether this is done out of fear, secrecy, exercise or boredom doesn't really matter. If the imagery is like a complex cipher, what can we expect of it?
A symbolic representation of the operation of the cipher, hidden in plain sight, for starters...
MichelleL11 > 26-08-2020, 05:18 PM
(26-08-2020, 09:31 AM)Koen G Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
- The text could be an illiterate culture/language's first attempt at writing in its own writing system. In this case, and remember that for this exercise we imagine that the images belong to the same sphere as the text, what would we expect? Every culture has an artistic component, this was already true in the Stone Age. So we would expect part of that artistic tradition to shine through in the imagery. If we take into account the stylistic properties of Voynichese, chances are this culture is not European - probably Asian? So given the premise of this thread, the imagery should have Asian influences. But it doesn't, at least not in an in-your-face way. So if we have Asian text, with non-Asian images, what happened?
I probably missed a few?
Ruby Novacna > 26-08-2020, 07:20 PM
(26-08-2020, 03:36 PM)Koen G Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.The statistics we know about Voynichese are so powerful that we can use them to eliminate entire language types.Excuse me, Koen, I had to skip this moment of irrefutable proof that this is not a language spoken or written in Europe in the 15th century. Of course it changes a lot of things.
Koen G > 26-08-2020, 07:56 PM
MichelleL11 > 26-08-2020, 08:24 PM
(26-08-2020, 07:56 PM)Koen G Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Michelle: out of my (2) follows that this possibility is actually covered by (3)