davidjackson > 23-08-2020, 05:50 PM
MarcoP > 23-08-2020, 06:06 PM
davidjackson > 23-08-2020, 06:28 PM
Aga Tentakulus > 23-08-2020, 06:52 PM
nickpelling > 24-08-2020, 02:01 AM
Torsten > 24-08-2020, 06:34 AM
(24-08-2020, 02:01 AM)nickpelling Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Hi Torsten,
Personally, I don't consider that the airy and non-specific gestures your autocopying papers make in the direction of apparently paralinguistic Voynichese behaviours are sufficient to pass for a genuine argument: still, you have made your bed and will surely sleep soundly in it for years to come.
Thanks for your reply nonetheless.
Cheers, Nick
ReneZ > 24-08-2020, 07:21 AM
Stephen Carlson > 24-08-2020, 04:47 PM
(11-08-2020, 10:19 AM)MarcoP Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Timm and Schinner's meaningless-text-algorithm seems to be the only solution to have gained some consensus among other researchers. On the other hand, Friedman came to the final hypothesis of an artificial language of the a priori type, suggesting that he believed that the creator(s) could understand the text. I doubt it will ever be possible to decide between meaningless and undecipherable.Is there a test that can distinguish meaningless and undecipherable? And if there isn't, what does that mean for us?
Torsten > 24-08-2020, 07:09 PM
(24-08-2020, 04:47 PM)Stephen Carlson Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Is there a test that can distinguish meaningless and undecipherable? And if there isn't, what does that mean for us?
(24-08-2020, 04:47 PM)Stephen Carlson Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.For example, what do we do with a plaintext encoded by a one-time pad whose key is irrecoverably lost? I suppose it would be undecipherable, but not meaningless -- even though the meaning can never be recovered.
(24-08-2020, 04:47 PM)Stephen Carlson Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.If we could distinguish whether it had once been meaningful even though we can never read it, what would that tell us? Would it affect how we think of the VM as an artifact (e.g., hoax vs. book of secret science)?
Aga Tentakulus > 24-08-2020, 07:24 PM