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• RE: ROS - does the bottom left echo the centre?

  Mark Knowles > 04-05-2020, 09:52 PM

  There are 6 domes in the central rosette. All pipes surrounding the central rosette are in groups of 6.
  
  There are 5 paths(I call them rays) coming from the top of the central rosette 
  
  There are 5 paths coming from the bottom of the central rosette
  
  [font=Tahoma, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif]There are 10 paths coming from the left of the central rosette[/font]
  
  [font=Tahoma, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif][font=Tahoma, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif]There are 9 paths coming from the left of the central[/font][/font]
  [font=Tahoma, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif][font=Tahoma, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif]rosette[/font][/font]
  
  [font=Tahoma, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif][font=Tahoma, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif]This disparity in number of paths does not appear in the bottom left rosette.[/font][/font]
  
  [font=Tahoma, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif][font=Tahoma, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif]The curly line around the central rosette is separated in multiples of 3.[/font][/font]
  
  13 numbers of things crop up in various places.
  
  [font=Tahoma, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif][font=Tahoma, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif]There are lots of numbers of things on the Rosettes page and I don't think one should read too much into them. I don't see the author as a numerologist.[/font][/font]
  
  [font=Tahoma, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif][font=Tahoma, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif]Also I never understand why there is this idea that the central "*" are stars when "*" are found all over the page. Are they stars everywhere?[/font][/font]

• RE: ROS - does the bottom left echo the centre?

  R. Sale > 05-05-2020, 12:13 AM

  The purple and red 'thingies' match in structure, number and position, but the blue and green portions appear to be reversed and the gold area(s) is either unified or split three to one. If the purported 'volcanoes' are connected, then that would seem to imply an attempt to represent two different levels each with separate, though potentially corresponding, features.

• RE: ROS - does the bottom left echo the centre?

  Linda > 07-05-2020, 09:20 PM

  (03-05-2020, 11:18 PM)Koen G Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Has it been mentioned before that the bottom left rosette looks like a scaled down diagram of the central one? I just noticed this, but many people have spent much more time on this folio than I have so far so I'm probably re-inventing the wheel.
  
  Anyway, this is what I mean:
  
  
  
  Similarities are:
  * Six in the centre (green)
  * Oval shape with asterisk stars, also centre (blue)
  * Outward scallops like mountains, topped by rays (orange). There are more tiers in the central one.
  * Four "pyramids" (pink), each touching tips with another cone shape (red).

  
  I am just going by overall impression, seems like a comparison the ecumene at different points on the timeline. Like the difference between
  
             and           

• RE: ROS - does the bottom left echo the centre?

  Koen G > 07-05-2020, 09:56 PM

  That's an interesting idea, Linda. In that case the bottom left shows some initial stage while the central roundel is the realization of the final form. I still don't have a clue about this whole foldout but this is something I'm keeping in mind.
  
  So would the four "pyramids" represent something like the four winds, in the sense of cardinal directions or the four "corners of the Earth"?

• RE: ROS - does the bottom left echo the centre?

  Linda > 07-05-2020, 10:33 PM

  Yes exactly, the four corners idea has hit me before as well. And there is a coming together from these corners or quarters. I always took the central rosette to be analogous with Jerusalem in Mappa mundi traditions, which incorporates religion with geography, i think the same thing is happening here, but i think it also incorporates various other religious centers also. There is no one place where a subject of a particular religion is found, they were in all four corners as well, both impacted by the previous histories, and creating new histories simultaneously. So it is an updated center of the world, perhaps real, perhaps removed, hence the cloud band. The second double cloudband may represent the duality of the Greek and Roman versions of the polytheistic religions that existed before the monotheistic ones represented by Jerusalem et al. It also gives another indication of migration from one to the other over time. Or the central Rosette might be a real place, in that the central spot on the map of the Mediterranean would be Sicily.
  
  What is funny is the Christian influence did not come from Jerusalem, but from Spain, the opposite end of the Mediterranean, which also had a mixed religious history. So the Jerusalem tradition gets left in the southeast corner and a new center of the ecumene emerges.

• RE: ROS - does the bottom left echo the centre?

  -JKP- > 07-05-2020, 10:35 PM

  I had also wondered if they might be something like four winds.
  
  By the Middle Ages, it was usually 12 winds, but the very old depictions sometimes had four and so many other things were grouped in fours.

• RE: ROS - does the bottom left echo the centre?

  Linda > 08-05-2020, 04:31 AM

  Again that would equate to the four corners idea, instead it is more direction based so has more information.

• RE: ROS - does the bottom left echo the centre?

  Mark Knowles > 08-05-2020, 08:32 PM

  I think it is worth noting that the drawing in the centre of the bottom left rosette is at an angle to the central rosette rather than parallel to it. On the causeway between the bottom left and centre left rosettes there is a cross shape which is parallel to the central rosette.

• RE: ROS - does the bottom left echo the centre?

  davidjackson > 24-06-2020, 08:51 PM

  I've always wondered about the bottom right corner. Does anyone else see a King of the Giants there?
  

• RE: ROS - does the bottom left echo the centre?

  Koen G > 24-06-2020, 09:52 PM

  David, wasn't it established that the "nose" is a hole in the vellum and the "mouth" just another pipe opening?
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