Koen G > 07-04-2020, 04:11 PM
MarcoP > 07-04-2020, 08:13 PM
(07-04-2020, 11:30 AM)Koen G Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Marco's image reminds me of Brian Cham's curve-line system. I'm not entirely on board with his system per se, but the underlying observations are valuable.
RenegadeHealer > 07-04-2020, 10:35 PM
R. Sale > 08-04-2020, 01:47 AM
ReneZ > 08-04-2020, 06:10 AM
(07-04-2020, 10:35 PM)RenegadeHealer Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Wow I got a little carried away with that last post of mine.
Aga Tentakulus > 08-04-2020, 07:32 AM
ReneZ > 09-04-2020, 08:54 AM
(07-04-2020, 08:13 PM)MarcoP Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I checked Rene's site and the concepts illustrated in You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. were nicely discussed by You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. (paragraph title: The Nature of the Symbols). In particular, he points out the several glyphs based on c and i and the fact that a can be seen as c + i.
Also, his conclusion is a sober "it doesn’t mean anything, but it’s interesting".
Quote:John Grove wrote:
>
> The forms all have counterparts starting with <i>: <ig>, <x>, <2>,
> etc. We
> also have <a> = <c>+<i>.
My view is that <c> and <i> are equivalent, each occurring in the
context of strokes similar to itself. Cryptologia published an article of mine
a long time ago where I showed that the two sets of letters, the c-like
and the i-like, occurred in almost completely mutually exclusive
variation. That can be due (in a linguist's eye) to two things:
1. they are allographs of the same grapheme (like the two form of small beta in Greek)
2. extension vowel or consonant harmony
Later, but still a long time ago, I argued on this list that <cc> and
<a> were two different ways of writing "a". It had not even occurred
to that <a> = <c> + <i>
> All the letters containing an initial
> "c"-curve are also the only letters that can be preceded in the same
> word by the little letter that looks
> like "c," e.g. <c89>, <ccc89>. On the other hand, the letters <x> and
> <2> (which have very high frequencies) can *never* be preceded by
> <c>, *ever*; they are instead preceded by <a>. or <o>.
> Now the fact that he saw these things as 'two-stroke' characters
> seems promising to me -- as it supports my observations. However, it
> may simply be that Currier was employed in roughly the same field as
> I work in - and thus analyzes things from the same perspective. What
> was his job? If he was a crytanalyst
He was. But I am a linguist, and I reported the same phenomenon. I did
not know about Currier at the time, either. So that makes his
observation all the more credible. When results converge...
> Jorge, on the other hand, has attacked the VMS from a linguistic point of view
Jorge is a computer scientist. So now that's three viewpoints that converge:
cryptology, linguistics, computer science.
> - there are just not enough characters in just the
> right places to form a simple alphabetic language
Yes there are! Look in the archives, before the invention of EVA,
when we were groping for a "pronounceable Voynich", I came up
with two: one looking like a sort of mock-Latin which sounded
grand and mysterious (good for ceremonial magic?), another, more
serious that looked much like a sort of Indonesian. Piraha, a
south-american Indian language, has only three vowels and seven
consonants. But it has tones. So it doesn't Rotokas (in Papua
New-Guinea) which has five vowels and six consonants, but no
tones.
RenegadeHealer > 09-04-2020, 02:09 PM
(08-04-2020, 06:10 AM)ReneZ Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.The only thing one can really do is to keep in mind that one's observation may not be new, and try to avoid making too grand claims.
-JKP- > 09-04-2020, 06:46 PM
(09-04-2020, 02:09 PM)RenegadeHealer Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
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Aga Tentakulus > 09-04-2020, 08:23 PM