Mark Knowles > 04-04-2020, 05:18 PM
-JKP- > 04-04-2020, 05:22 PM
(04-04-2020, 05:18 PM)Mark Knowles Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.(04-04-2020, 05:16 PM)-JKP- Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Mark, do you understand what the chart represents?
I think it is straightforward.
When you say "Old Russian" do you mean "Old Church Slavonic"?
Mark Knowles > 04-04-2020, 05:33 PM
(04-04-2020, 05:22 PM)-JKP- Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.(04-04-2020, 05:18 PM)Mark Knowles Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.(04-04-2020, 05:16 PM)-JKP- Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Mark, do you understand what the chart represents?
I think it is straightforward.
When you say "Old Russian" do you mean "Old Church Slavonic"?
Glagolitic scripts have some commonalities with Cyrillic scripts, but they are not identical.
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ReneZ > 04-04-2020, 05:47 PM
(04-04-2020, 01:06 PM)Mark Knowles Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I don't understand why the frequency of a glyph should be relevant. Surely the question should be what can we say confidently the glyph looks like. I selected some characters illustrating the breadth of Voynich characters. If a character is used less frequently in a cipher it doesn't make its appearance less relevant.
-JKP- > 04-04-2020, 05:50 PM
Quote: When you say "Old Russian" do you mean "Old Church Slavonic"?
Mark Knowles > 05-04-2020, 05:40 PM
(04-04-2020, 03:43 PM)-JKP- Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.It's not enough to look at the pictures. You have to actually read the explanations to get anything out of these blogs.
-JKP- > 05-04-2020, 07:08 PM
Mark Knowles > 05-04-2020, 07:44 PM
(05-04-2020, 07:08 PM)-JKP- Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Looking at the pictures is not enough, Mark.
If you only look at the pictures, then you don't know if you are looking at a letter, a ligature, or an abbreviation. You have to understand the distinctions between these in order to know if a shape is similar to one in the VMS and that means reading the explanation that goes with the diagram.
Also, if you don't know how to read the text, then you don't know whether the shape you found in a manuscripts is a related shape or if the similarity is a coincidence.
Stephen Carlson > 06-04-2020, 10:14 AM
(03-04-2020, 08:50 AM)MarcoP Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Among the historical systems, Fontana and steganography appear to be closer to the VMS (though with considerable differences).Thanks for the wonderful chart. That Fontana MS is really impressive as a comparandum. I wonder if something like that was a model for how the VM should look, even though the process used to produce it must be different.
Both Timm and Schinner's and Rene's systems are good matches for some of the features of the VMS: T&S match more features, but mod2 has the advantage of being a cipher system that can encode any meaningful text.