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• RE: The Berry Apocalypse

  DONJCH > 17-04-2020, 01:59 AM

  It seems to me that recalling and adding to the detailed knowledge of the historical context around these places and times can only be a good thing.

• RE: The Berry Apocalypse

  Aga Tentakulus > 17-04-2020, 09:19 AM

  (17-04-2020, 01:23 AM)R. Sale Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Given the use of the nebuly line in the VMs cosmos, what is the intended interpretation of the nebuly line associated with the VMs critter? What kind of critter is associated with a cosmic boundary? It's the Lamb of God, the Agnus Dei.

  Lamb of God?
  I don't know what you mean by that.
  But if this is where I think it is, where's the head?

• RE: The Berry Apocalypse

  DONJCH > 17-04-2020, 01:49 PM

  (17-04-2020, 09:19 AM)Aga Tentakulus Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Lamb of God?
  I don't know what you mean by that.

  This thread:
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  There was debate over which end the head was at. Many assume the scales are the wrong way round.
  There was a nice picture posted by Koen that is now missing, it could have been a possible precursor (head on left).
  The name Agnus Dei was proposed later in the thread.

• RE: The Berry Apocalypse

  R. Sale > 17-04-2020, 08:28 PM

  There are various ways that medieval artists portrayed the Agnus Dei - often with a cross and banner. The VMs critter of You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. has no cross and banner.  JKP posted a number of images and the one with the same structure as the VMs was one made in 1313, the Apocalypse of S Jean. (BNF Fr. 13096)
  
  While there are some examples with the lamb inside a cosmic boundary, a vesica piscis etc. it is unusual to find the lamb on one side of the cosmic boundary and the droplets of blood on the other side. The blood usually goes into a goblet held by the lamb and does not cross the cosmic boundary.
  
  It is also unusual to find a vesica piscis type of cosmic boundary that is constructed from a cloud-band. Now combine both factors. That is the structure of the 1313 Apocalypse. And if we follow the equivalence nebuly line = cloud-band  = cosmic boundary (as it clearly applies in the VMs cosmos), then the VMs critter has some interesting potential.
  
  The similarity of the VMs critter and the emblem of the Golden Fleece is an old suggestion. The order originated in 1430 with Philip the Good of Burgundy. The Apocalypse of 1313 was in the library of Philip the Good, Duke of Burgundy. Is You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. a combined representation? Is the VMs cosmos a combined representation?
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