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• RE: Cheshire Plant Paper

  Aga Tentakulus > 01-05-2020, 10:37 PM

  But I have already considered whether the Paris and the seven star You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. should be exchanged. They look alike.

• RE: Cheshire Plant Paper

  -JKP- > 02-05-2020, 03:23 AM

  Don't forget, we have been actively importing live plants and bulbs from Asia for the last three centuries.
  
  Thousands of species that did not grow in the west in the Middle Ages are here now and many of them grow in the wild.
  
  
  I've already said that Paris quadrifolia sometimes has 5 leaves (but not often). But P. quadrifolia does not have 10 (or even 8 or 7). The VMS plants are quite specific as to how the leaves are drawn. Even the margins of the leaves are correct for the ones that are recognizable.

• RE: Cheshire Plant Paper

  -JKP- > 02-05-2020, 03:41 AM

  Aga Tentakulus Wrote:I say it again and again, one should also look at wiki in other languages. The differences are huge.

  
  
  
  I don't base my plant knowledge on Wikipedia. I go to the botany sites. But when I do read the Wikis, I read them in several languages, including French and German.
  
  The German Wiki on Paris quadrifolia has several mistakes. This is one of them:
  
  "Eine Pflanzenabbildung, auf der die Einbeere sicher zu erkennen ist, finden wir erstmals 1479 im Kräuterbuch des Bayerischen Mönchs You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.."
  
  This is not true. There are at least four herbals between 1430 and 1460 that have recognizable pictures of Paris quadrifolia.
  
  
  "Die Pflanze wird darin als „Crux Christi“, „Umbilicus veneris“ und „Ainper chrawt“ bezeichnet."
  
  This is misleading. It makes it sound like all three plant names are plant labels for the drawing. The last one is a label for this plant, but the other two are not. They are probably ingredients to be used with P. quadrifolia (maybe a medicinal recipe) or else they may be cross references to some of the other drawings. I've looked at the Auslasser herbal quite closely.
  
  
  This is why I often avoid other people's research. Much of it is wrong, including Wikipedia.

• RE: Cheshire Plant Paper

  Aga Tentakulus > 02-05-2020, 05:34 AM

  Just to read through
  
    Berichte-Bayerischen-Bot-Ges-Erforschung-Flora_18_1_0001-0031.pdf (Size: 2.71 MB / Downloads: 46)

• RE: Cheshire Plant Paper

  -JKP- > 02-05-2020, 06:16 PM

  The problem is not with Cheshire's plant ID. The problem is with the arguments he uses to try to justify his choices.
  
  He gives no explanations for the parts that don't fit his ID, and he confuses two different plants and talks about them as though they are the same, which shows he is not knowledgable in this area, and he hasn't done the background research necessary to make an ID.
  
  His linguistic arguments are even more questionable than the plant ID.
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