MarcoP > 09-03-2020, 06:06 PM
(09-03-2020, 12:21 AM)Koen G Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I've been thinking about the syntactic possibilities for this sentence. It smells of second person, someone being addressed (...dabas, maybe portas, te).
So the N in these charms, I guess will usually be a name of someone talked about on the third person? Like the object or subject of the sentence? Or might it be the same person who is being addressed in the second person? Is there some type of sentence we are more likely to expect?
Koen G > 09-03-2020, 06:37 PM
Anton > 09-03-2020, 08:52 PM
(09-03-2020, 12:21 AM)Koen G Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I've been thinking about the syntactic possibilities for this sentence. It smells of second person, someone being addressed (...dabas, maybe portas, te).
So the N in these charms, I guess will usually be a name of someone talked about on the third person? Like the object or subject of the sentence? Or might it be the same person who is being addressed in the second person? Is there some type of sentence we are more likely to expect?
Koen G > 09-03-2020, 09:37 PM
Helmut Winkler > 09-03-2020, 09:57 PM
(09-03-2020, 06:37 PM)Koen G Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Thanks, Marco! You are right that our only hope is probably to find a similar sentence elsewhere. Still I must say that through threads like these, I have gained more confidence that these marginalia correspond to some medieval practice. We can strongly suspect that the first line is some invocation or instruction where a person's name was to be inserted. That's more firm footing than we had before, as far as I'm concerned.
I also think that for the first line, we might still learn more by focusing on grammar and syntax. For example, if "dabas" is the Latin tense it appears to be, then it's a second person but not an imperative. But I don't quite see how to fit the perfect tense into this. Unless it's some kind of future tense. Or no verb at all..
Anton > 09-03-2020, 10:00 PM
(09-03-2020, 09:37 PM)Koen G Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view."anchiton oldabas" seems to have been a word group
Anton > 09-03-2020, 10:04 PM
(09-03-2020, 09:57 PM)Helmut Winkler Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.If this of some help: dabas is second person imperfect of do, dedi, datum dare, to give imperfect dabam, dabas, dabat, dabamus, dabatis, dabant,
Koen G > 09-03-2020, 10:10 PM
Anton > 09-03-2020, 10:14 PM
(09-03-2020, 10:10 PM)Koen G Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.What was the root form of "ola" as "offering" again?
(09-03-2020, 10:10 PM)Koen G Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Anyway as Helmut says we are looking at an imperfectum so "Anchiton you gave ola".
-JKP- > 09-03-2020, 10:18 PM
(09-03-2020, 10:00 PM)Anton Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.(09-03-2020, 09:37 PM)Koen G Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view."anchiton oldabas" seems to have been a word group
Yes, that's a valid point, although it's not clear why exactly it is (it's the only "word group" in the whole set, provided "tartere/carcere" is a single word). I've long been thinking that's because it's an anagrammed rendering of something.