ReneZ > 21-12-2019, 05:50 PM
nickpelling > 21-12-2019, 06:41 PM
Koen G > 21-12-2019, 07:16 PM
Aga Tentakulus > 21-12-2019, 07:57 PM
Stephen Carlson > 22-12-2019, 04:39 AM
(21-12-2019, 05:50 PM)ReneZ Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I am also extremely skeptical about the hypothesis that the hole in the lower part of folio 34 (the hole that Nick is interested in) was created deliberately by the author.I read it the same way. Looks incorporated into the design.
It has clearly been taken into account in the design of both sides of the folio.
This suggests that the hole was there from the beginning. The folios of the Voynich MS have plenty such holes.
nickpelling > 22-12-2019, 11:47 AM
Stephen Carlson > 22-12-2019, 11:08 PM
(22-12-2019, 11:47 AM)nickpelling Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Stephen, Rene and I are not disagreeing about the order (the drawing was clearly arranged around the hole, so the hole came first). The issue is whether the hole was naturally in the vellum or whether it was forcibly added to the vellum.It does look different, but I can't tell whether it was intentional (or just abraded differently) or, more importantly, whether it was to mimic its source.
If you look at that hole in the high res scan and compare it to the other holes 'popped' in the vellum, you'll see that it is quite different. Sergio Toresella noticed this when he examined it first hand.
nickpelling > 23-12-2019, 12:15 AM
Stephen Carlson > 23-12-2019, 06:33 AM
(23-12-2019, 12:15 AM)nickpelling Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Stephen: misguided bookworms aside (they don't like vellum), holes in vellum aren't abraded, they happen in manufacture when the sheet is under tension and a tiny flaw in the skin goes 'pop'.Maybe it was to enlarge a pre-existing hole?
It is the fact that this specific hole is abraded that is the challenge here. That's exactly how vellum doesn't work.
Koen G > 23-12-2019, 10:09 AM