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Voynichese a result of a creolization?
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RE: Voynichese a result of a creolization?
Gavin Güldenpfennig > 22-09-2019, 12:28 AM
(21-09-2019, 07:17 PM)Monica Yokubinas Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I have a paper on Academia.Edu it you would like to look it up for Quire 9, i have to add the last 2 pages. I cannot add the link here, as it keeps messing up. Sorry for the inconvenience. The 2 main star charts, show a good time of the year vs a bad time of the year. Also I forgot to mention that I do not use the EVA system, i use a very old Hebrew script, so the letters are different that what is conveyed in the EVA letters.
I really don´t know how much you know about astronomy, but your star maps have several mistakes. For example Cepheus is not located between Ursa Majoris and Bootes. Also Auriga is not located between Cepheus and Perseus.
Do y ouhave any explanation for this? For me it seems to be a prove, that your theory is wrong. Also I have not seen any word by word translation in your essay. So how can we reproduce your cipher?
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RE: Voynichese a result of a creolization?
Monica Yokubinas > 22-09-2019, 01:18 AM
(22-09-2019, 12:28 AM)Gavin Güldenpfennig Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
Yes, going by what was put on the Voynich maps. It also has ophiuchus in tact when it was divided up later to create Hercules from his head and the serpents were separated on each end of his arms. The Voynich talks of them together as a womb of the spirit world and a stork like the Arabic. Also not post the translations on Academia, I only post them here or when people ask. I'll post in the morning, as I have to upload to google photos and have not done so yet. If you read the theory from the Arabs, on the same document, many stars lost their original names or were mistranslated after translating to the Latin.(21-09-2019, 07:17 PM)Monica Yokubinas Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I have a paper on Academia.Edu it you would like to look it up for Quire 9, i have to add the last 2 pages. I cannot add the link here, as it keeps messing up. Sorry for the inconvenience. The 2 main star charts, show a good time of the year vs a bad time of the year. Also I forgot to mention that I do not use the EVA system, i use a very old Hebrew script, so the letters are different that what is conveyed in the EVA letters.
I really don´t know how much you know about astronomy, but your star maps have several mistakes. For example Cepheus is not located between Ursa Majoris and Bootes. Also Auriga is not located between Cepheus and Perseus.
Do y ouhave any explanation for this? For me it seems to be a prove, that your theory is wrong. Also I have not seen any word by word translation in your essay. So how can we reproduce your cipher? -
RE: Voynichese a result of a creolization?
ReneZ > 22-09-2019, 05:36 AM
(21-09-2019, 03:46 PM)-JKP- Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Gavin, you should take a look at Monica's transliterations and translations. Whether or not you agree with them, they are consistent and the transliterations are repeatable by anyone who pays attention to how she is doing it.
While this seems to be off-topic in this thread, it also seems important enough.
The above is not at all my understanding of Monicas translations. I have not looked at this myself, but read comments from others. According to this, there is first a straightforward transliteration step, but the next step is based on looking for a 'similar word' in Hebrew, which includes dropping and inserting individual characters.
This is not repeatable.
Perhaps to be continued elsewhere. -
RE: Voynichese a result of a creolization?
-JKP- > 22-09-2019, 11:51 AM
Quote:Rene Wrote:
Quote:-JKP- Wrote: Gavin, you should take a look at Monica's transliterations and translations. Whether or not you agree with them, they are consistent and the transliterations are repeatable by anyone who pays attention to how she is doing it.
While this seems to be off-topic in this thread, it also seems important enough.
The above is not at all my understanding of Monicas translations...[
To be continued elsewhere, yes, but please note that I only said the "transliterations" are repeatable. I was careful how I worded it.
I did not say the translations are repeatable (although, in fact, a reasonable percentage of the translations are repeatable, more than many proposed "solutions").
I worked through several pages of Monica's texts and I got very similar results. Even if one doesn't agree with it on every point, or on some of the fine points, it's a rational effort.
My main problem with it is not Monica's method, which she follows pretty consistently, but with the frequency distribution of VMS letter positions, which diverge from Semitic languages to a significant degree. This difference needs to be addressed.