Anton > 20-09-2019, 12:18 AM
Quote:How someone would have interpreted it in the 15th century, I don't know, but the You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. in the right margin of folio 1r suggests that SOMEONE thought it was a substitution cipher. I have posted a timeline on my You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. of when I think the column text might have been written, but because the column text is so faint and because it is not full words, I cannot be absolutely sure. I think the estimate is reasonable, however, and should be given at least some credence.
Helmut Winkler > 20-09-2019, 08:44 AM
Stephen Carlson > 20-09-2019, 08:50 AM
(19-09-2019, 11:34 PM)-JKP- Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I've already answered this question a couple of times.I'm new around here. If you have link for a fuller explanations, I'd appreciate it. But yeah, some kind of trade secret is a good reason to encrypt, and the appearance of encryption would suggest to an observer the presence of secrets.
We don't have to guess at the medieval mindset, we just have to listen. When a daughter of a medieval physician asked her father why a manuscript had to be encrypted, he said that it protected the contents and gave it more value. I posted a more complete and accurate version of this a couple of years ago.
Stephen Carlson > 20-09-2019, 08:59 AM
(20-09-2019, 12:08 AM)-JKP- Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
Stephen Carlson > 20-09-2019, 09:13 AM
(20-09-2019, 12:03 AM)Koen G Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I guess that depends on people's awareness of other foreign scripts, and of encrypted texts? If one only knew Latin, would the familiar-yet-strange nature of the script suggest another language or a code? And the embellishments, like the first letters of the paragraphs? I kind of assumed that it was meant to look like an exotic language, but now I'm less sure.(19-09-2019, 11:45 PM)Stephen Carlson Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Would the VM be perceived (in the 15th cen.) as an encrypted text or an exotic language text?It depends who's doing the perceiving, I guess. An experienced reader in the 15th century would recognize most of the characters as common ligatures, abbreviations, numbers... So my guess is that they would think someone's been messing around rather than it being some genuine foreign script.
ReneZ > 20-09-2019, 09:20 AM
(20-09-2019, 08:44 AM)Helmut Winkler Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.What most people overlook is that the only reason for believung the ms. is a ciphre is the sayso of Voynich. And guys like Friedman fell for it, it is a question of self-assessment. When I, the genius who solved the Purple code is not able to read it it must be something very special.
Just a side remark: I am wondering for a long time if Kircher could read the ms.
Koen G > 20-09-2019, 10:37 AM
(20-09-2019, 09:13 AM)Stephen Carlson Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I guess that depends on people's awareness of other foreign scripts, and of encrypted texts? If one only knew Latin, would the familiar-yet-strange nature of the script suggest another language or a code? And the embellishments, like the first letters of the paragraphs? I kind of assumed that it was meant to look like an exotic language, but now I'm less sure.
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Anton > 20-09-2019, 11:35 AM