MarcoP > 24-06-2019, 02:10 PM
(24-06-2019, 01:43 PM)Torsten Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.You argue that the results in your paper are not final and everything is open to further discussion. You even say "We are not in a position to refute the idea that the manuscript is non-linguistic and we don't claim to be." So what do you want to say you’ve done?
Quote:We would like to suggest that the existence of word break combinations provides some support for the possibility that the Voynich text is written phonetically in a language. We also believe that information gleaned from further study of word break combinations could help to identify the sound values of the glyphs in which the text is written.
Torsten > 24-06-2019, 05:06 PM
(24-06-2019, 02:10 PM)MarcoP Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.[/font][/font]
Quote:We would like to suggest that the existence of word break combinations provides some support for the possibility that the Voynich text is written phonetically in a language. We also believe that information gleaned from further study of word break combinations could help to identify the sound values of the glyphs in which the text is written.
MarcoP > 24-06-2019, 06:16 PM
(24-06-2019, 05:06 PM)Torsten Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Do you realy want to argue "that the Voynich text is written a phonetically written language" (You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view., p. 19), but that you don't "refute the idea that the manuscript is non-linguistic" and that "Voynichese is phonetic" but not necessarily linguistic?
nickpelling > 25-06-2019, 09:27 PM
(21-06-2019, 11:54 PM)Emma May Smith Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Hi Nick, Prescott Currier's qualifications and background are not the issue in contention, his statements are. I stand by what I said, "I don't consider his conclusions to be useful: he gives no solid reasons for his conclusions against linguistic arguments and doesn't expand on his suggestions enough to let others explore them." Currier's total statement on possible causes of this phenomenon is no more that 58 words long.
Any response to Currier's conclusions would either be:
Neither of these would have been useful.
- The reasons why Currier came to his conclusions are not stated, and therefore it is not possible to evaluate them.
- We assume the reasons he came to his conclusions and argue against our assumptions, even though the assumptions could be wrong.
I would be happy, were you to expand on Currier's conclusions, to respond specifically to your interpretations. I have no fear of discussing any valid point, but it is impossible to discuss something which simply isn't there. I assume, by you dismissal of point 4 as an explanation, you have a clear idea of what Currier was thinking.
ReneZ > 26-06-2019, 03:28 PM
Quote:I don't believe you propose any idea or mechanism Currier would not have trivially considered back in the 1970s: and so I believe that by writing what he did, he specifically rejected what you propose.
Emma May Smith > 26-06-2019, 05:46 PM
Quote:Sorry if this sounds harsh, but you just aren't giving Prescott Currier any respect whatsoever (not academic, not linguistic, nothing), and he basically invented the whole field you've picked up on to write your paper. The big difference is that Currier had the good sense to realise that there was a basic underlying problem with the kind of Baxian simple-minded linguistic turn so often applied to Voynichese, and that this wasn't something that could be hand-waved away.
davidjackson > 26-06-2019, 06:34 PM
davidjackson > 26-06-2019, 07:10 PM
Emma May Smith > 26-06-2019, 07:55 PM
(26-06-2019, 07:10 PM)davidjackson Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Emma, a couple of quick and probably unimportant questions upon the transcription preparations:
- I am assuming that labels were stripped out of the transcriptions?
- What about the "paragraph initials" standalone glyphs, such as appear on ie, f66r?
davidjackson > 26-06-2019, 08:04 PM