Alin_J > 09-02-2020, 02:57 PM
(09-02-2020, 11:21 AM)MarcoP Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Here the differences between Voynich sections are striking: the most common word in Quire 20 (aiin, 1.8%) is less than half as frequent as the most common word in Herbal A (daiin, 5.0%). As discussed by Timm and Schinner, the fact that the most common words are different in the different sections is even more puzzling.
Torsten > 09-02-2020, 09:58 PM
(08-02-2020, 12:34 PM)Alin_J Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.But then would a medieval scribe have the patience and/or the motivation to generate it?
MarcoP > 10-02-2020, 08:59 AM
(09-02-2020, 02:57 PM)Alin_J Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I have also noticed that the amounts of the most frequent words in the Voynich manuscript are varying more when comparing their partial amounts in the different sections, if I do equal comparisons in texts of known languages. But then the text samples I have analysed is mostly fiction-type and other stories or novels. I have not compared to more technical texts, such as manuals or encyclopedias, so I don't know if this would be significant with regards to determining if the text is meaningless or not.
RenegadeHealer > 10-02-2020, 03:43 PM
Alin_J > 10-02-2020, 05:12 PM
(09-02-2020, 09:58 PM)Torsten Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Quote:But then would a medieval scribe have the patience and/or the motivation to generate it?My answer to your question is that it is the most effective way to generate some dummy text. Imagine that someone in medieval times wanted to write a mysterious book. His goal is to write a book nobody is able to read. What is the best way to generate manually large amounts of dummy text?
Torsten > 10-02-2020, 06:36 PM
(10-02-2020, 05:12 PM)Alin_J Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.(09-02-2020, 09:58 PM)Torsten Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Quote:But then would a medieval scribe have the patience and/or the motivation to generate it?My answer to your question is that it is the most effective way to generate some dummy text. Imagine that someone in medieval times wanted to write a mysterious book. His goal is to write a book nobody is able to read. What is the best way to generate manually large amounts of dummy text?
I am not arguing that self-citation isn't the most efficient way to create a hoax text. My argument was that, with my analysis results indicating that the algorithm was probably more complex than this self-citation method, the author must have had a lot of patience/motivation to create a hoax text.
Ben Trovato > 07-03-2020, 03:55 PM
MarcoP > 07-03-2020, 10:15 PM
Ben Trovato > 08-03-2020, 12:34 AM
(07-03-2020, 10:15 PM)MarcoP Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.If it was an algorithm, it was executed by humans. If some features turned out to be preferences of the different scribes, I don't think that would tell us much about the writing/ encoding / generating system they used.
bi3mw > 08-03-2020, 10:50 AM
(08-03-2020, 12:34 AM)Ben Trovato Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.One could think rather of a set of rules for producing text (or, filling a page with symbols) that is applied in different ways by different persons -That there must have been rules is very likely with five different scribes. These rules had to be transferable from one scribe to another. One would even suspect a strict set of rules, which is contrary to the variations in the text. There was obviously room for variations for the scribes. This could provide information about the nature of the rules. Which flexible systems can be considered for the beginning of the 15th century ?