VViews > 21-03-2019, 08:47 PM
geoffreycaveney > 21-03-2019, 09:23 PM
(21-03-2019, 06:33 AM)ReneZ Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.It wasn't really meant as a riddle. Also, the second example is 'closer' in a way, since the inverse of the operation also allows compression of real Voynichese.
However, this is *not* how the real MS text was generated. At best it could give a hint into the direction.
The reduction in entropy with respect to the Italian text is the result of a verbose substitution.
The word patterns arise by chopping up the original text in syllables (sort of), in combination with the verbose substitution. A syllable in this case is defined by :
- a consonant cluster followed by a vowel cluster
I chose Italian because very many words end in a vowel, so the above definition of syllables largely (but not completely) keeps word boundaries intact.
The conditional entropy of the compressed Voynich text goes up to a staggering 3.1
The problem is with the single character entropy, which is 'only' 3.7.
It is not just the value that is still too low. It is the frequency distribution as a whole that is wrong, and this is not easy to fix.
(21-03-2019, 09:01 AM)-JKP- Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Pilcrows and capitula were frequently in line with the main text, not just at the beginnings of paragraphs.
Also, a pilcrow sometimes looks like a letter (especially in the middle ages). The Capitula symbol was a "C". Sometimes it had a vertical stroke through it, but not always. Sometimes the only way you could distinguish it from the letter C was because it was in a different color. In other words, the C shape could be both a pilcrow and a letter. Some pilcrows look like t without the loops.
I've posted two blogs with examples:
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In the second blog, there is a pic that shows how pilcrows sometimes stretch over more than one letter, just as some of the VMS gallows glyphs sometimes stretch over more than one glyph.
Here's an example of pilcrows that are in line with the main text:
nablator > 21-03-2019, 09:45 PM
-JKP- > 22-03-2019, 07:13 AM
(21-03-2019, 09:23 PM)geoffreycaveney Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view....
"... That second text you posted is incredibly difficult to read. "
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Anton > 22-03-2019, 12:35 PM
-JKP- > 22-03-2019, 12:40 PM
ReneZ > 22-03-2019, 12:47 PM
(22-03-2019, 12:35 PM)Anton Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I think that existence of vords such as okchop strongly discourages the idea of gallows as pilcrows.
Linda > 22-03-2019, 06:49 PM
(22-03-2019, 12:47 PM)ReneZ Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.(22-03-2019, 12:35 PM)Anton Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I think that existence of vords such as okchop strongly discourages the idea of gallows as pilcrows.
This word fits my old hypothesis that the f and p are top-line equivalents (embellished forms) of Eva r and/or l .
geoffreycaveney > 23-03-2019, 01:15 AM
-JKP- > 23-03-2019, 05:50 AM