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• RE: The Zodiac section: 79 (80?) human figures in the tubes.

  Searcher > 10-03-2019, 05:28 PM

  VViews:
  

  Quote:My first impression was that the artist originally planned to do the whole section like the first two pages, but this became really tedious and the program was simplified.
  
  The problem with this explanation of course, is the sporadic reoccurrence of tubs later on, which does seem to indicate that their presence/absence is meaningful.

  Another problem is that legs are more difficult to draw than barrels.

• RE: The Zodiac section: 79 (80?) human figures in the tubes.

  Linda > 10-03-2019, 09:06 PM

  (10-03-2019, 04:17 PM)VViews Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.There is another parameter to consider here: in pisces and dark aries, the tubs are very ornate, except for two in dark aries.
  Then in light aries there stilll are decorated tubs but the design is much more sparse, sometimes they are completely plain (I am not counting paint here, just the drawn designs on the tubs). 
  By the time we reach dark taurus, the tubs are all plain, except for one which features an "arches" motif that seems to be a later addition in darker ink.
  My first impression was that the artist originally planned to do the whole section like the first two pages, but this became really tedious and the program was simplified.
  The problem with this explanation of course, is the sporadic reoccurrence of tubs later on, which does seem to indicate that their presence/absence is meaningful.

  
  This is where i get my ages idea, it seems like a progression through time, and the timing of the tubs disappearing in the sequence matches pretty closely with what we now think of as the dawn of civilization. If you imagine the ornate tubs as cathedrals or castles, then you can see what i mean. Or it could simply refer to housing in general, like the 3 little pigs' abodes, a progression of shelter. But the decoration lends itself more toward the artistic aspects of specialized buildings, the ones that are instantly recognizable in paintings or photos today and that identify the place and culture depicted. I dont know if the decorations drawn are random, they seem to be, at least in some cases.
  
  The tubs in the centre of pisces are all decorated in a similar way. I think it denotes mollusk damage, and the green means submerged in sea water. 
  
  
  
  In the above case it has to do with volcanic depression and uplift, but also, sea levels had been rising steadily for 400 years.
  
  
  
  The graph shows how sea level changed over the past 2000 years. There are four phases: 
  Stable sea level from 200 BC until 1000 ADA 
  400-year rise by about 6 cm per century up to 1400 AD
  Another stable period from 1400 AD up to the late 19th C
  A rapid rise by about 20 cm since.
  
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  Given they wrote the vms near 1400, they did not know sea level would even out for 500 years. If it hadnt, the prediction could have come true. Instead, it becomes a prediction for our time. 
  
  
  
  They seem to have been optimistic about the future though, with even more varied decoration to the outer rim, or end of the age, the one we live in now. 
  
  It says to me that people should update their civilisations based on learnings from the past. Just as today it would likely be a mistake to continue to build in coastal areas or those surrounded by active volcanoes.

• RE: The Zodiac section: 79 (80?) human figures in the tubes.

  -JKP- > 11-03-2019, 03:23 AM

  More than 3 billion people live within about 100 kilometers of the coast. If you count those that live along major river systems, the number increases significantly.
  
  Humans are drawn to water. Even sea water has advantages (food, recreation, mineral resources, access to marine transportation).

• RE: The Zodiac section: 79 (80?) human figures in the tubes.

  Linda > 11-03-2019, 06:53 AM

  Of course, that is to be expected, but the problem occurs if the seas rise too much and the architecture was not planned for that possibility. However they seem to think all ends well with new or updated architecture taking its place. 
  
  I see the theme also in quire 13. On You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. i think it is the two gulfs of Lesbos. On one gulf there is a pile of stones. I think that signifies Pyrrha, an ancient lost port, claimed by the water. It is funny because it is on a lot of old maps but everywhere, sometimes one gulf, sometimes the other, this side, that side, all over.
  
  
  
  Then there is the pile of stones in Gemini. At the very bottom. Might be telling us when the Pyrrha sinking happened.
  
  Pyrrha is also the name of a redhead who ends up surviving the great flood and she and her husband throw stones behind them to repopulate the world. It is also told by Ovid in his Metamorphosis, again, it is about change. 
  
  The stone pile again?
  
  From wiki
  
  Once the land has been repopulated with humans, mother earth follows suit and begins to produce all other forms of life. Ovid uses this opportunity to inform his audience that heat and water are the sources of all life – “because when heat and moisture blend in due balance, they conceive: these two, these are the origin of everything. Though fire and water fight, humidity and warmth create all things; that harmony” (Ovid)
  
  
  
  I am just saying that sometimes heat and water can also cause destruction. But that is the cycle of life.

• RE: The Zodiac section: 79 (80?) human figures in the tubes.

  -JKP- > 11-03-2019, 07:09 AM

  I remember searching for hours for all the red-heads in ancient literature to see if there was an analogy to the VMS red-head.
  
  In addition to Ovid, Horace also mentions Pyrrha as a red-head (red-gold).

• RE: The Zodiac section: 79 (80?) human figures in the tubes.

  Aldis Mengelsons > 12-03-2019, 12:15 AM

  (10-03-2019, 05:28 PM)Searcher Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.VViews:
  

  Quote:My first impression was that the artist originally planned to do the whole section like the first two pages, but this became really tedious and the program was simplified.
  
  The problem with this explanation of course, is the sporadic reoccurrence of tubs later on, which does seem to indicate that their presence/absence is meaningful.

  Another problem is that legs are more difficult to draw than barrels.

  
  Barrels are just  curing...green ones -they still sick, blue ones-they getting better...read a text ))))

• RE: The Zodiac section: 79 (80?) human figures in the tubes.

  Linda > 12-03-2019, 12:58 AM

  (11-03-2019, 07:09 AM)-JKP- Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I remember searching for hours for all the red-heads in ancient literature to see if there was an analogy to the VMS red-head.
  
  In addition to Ovid, Horace also mentions Pyrrha as a red-head (red-gold).

  
  My only problem is i am not certain she fits with the location i ascribe to the water body she is found in. But then wiki says she ended up on top of various mountains or volcanoes, so perhaps it is the vms moving her to yet another location to make a point. Hecateaus wrote a book about her hubby, maybe it is in there, too bad it no longer exists.
  

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  (12-03-2019, 12:15 AM)Aldis Mengelsons Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Barrels are just  curing...green ones -they still sick, blue ones-they getting better...read a text ))))

  
  Which text do you mean and what does it say, and how does it relate to pisces and all the other zodiac pages?
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