Common_Man > 17-12-2018, 05:56 AM
-JKP- > 17-12-2018, 07:02 AM
(17-12-2018, 05:08 AM)ChenZheChina Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view....
If this decoration is not merely a decoration but a real letter, how can I know if this is EVA-p or EVA-t? p vs t
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bi3mw > 17-12-2018, 10:56 AM
nablator > 17-12-2018, 11:36 AM
(17-12-2018, 05:08 AM)ChenZheChina Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.If this decoration is not merely a decoration but a real letter, how can I know if this is EVA-p or EVA-t? p vs t4. EVA-pp
I think there might be three solutions.
What do you think?
- These are merely decorations, not letters, so they do not have to be precisely recognized.
- The last stroke, or some other details, of the decoration determines whether it is EVA-p or EVA-t.
- EVA-p and EVA-t are actually one same letter that does not have to be distinguishable.
MarcoP > 17-12-2018, 12:36 PM
ChenZheChina > 18-12-2018, 05:55 AM
(17-12-2018, 05:56 AM)Common_Man Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Certainly not 3, since to me this looks like a real language and the characters look like letters. From that viewpoint, with these 2 becoming the same character the entropy will decrease even further and that seems unlikely ?
(17-12-2018, 07:02 AM)-JKP- Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I really don't know. It doesn't seem to lean toward one or the other. If it were a pilcrow, the shape wouldn't matter as long as the general idea is understood but I'm not certain they are pilcrows. SOME of them seem to act like pilcrows, but not all of them.
(17-12-2018, 10:56 AM)bi3mw Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I also think that this initial stands for a letter. I would assume decorations of this type to plain text letters such as f, t, s or i, but not a, o, e or c. Both EVA-t and EVA-p are not open at the top. Maybe the "trick" was done with the rotation, and the decoration / part of the letter should actually go straight down (like other gallows / initials that are decorated with dots or dashes). Then I tend to EVA-t.
-JKP- > 18-12-2018, 06:42 AM
(18-12-2018, 05:55 AM)ChenZheChina Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.(17-12-2018, 07:02 AM)-JKP- Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I really don't know. It doesn't seem to lean toward one or the other. If it were a pilcrow, the shape wouldn't matter as long as the general idea is understood but I'm not certain they are pilcrows. SOME of them seem to act like pilcrows, but not all of them.
Hi JKP, is it possible that some pilcrows have double duty? For example, pilcrows came from capitula, which was simply a letter C with strokes (like S + strokes = $ or C + strokes = €). Is it possible that some writers omit the initial letter C or similar letters when writing pilcrows? For example, instead of writing:
¶Centaurus ...
They write:
¶entaurus ...
Just like some people nowadays would write Micro$oft or G∞gle for whatever reasons.
ChenZheChina > 18-12-2018, 06:42 AM
(17-12-2018, 11:36 AM)nablator Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.(17-12-2018, 05:08 AM)ChenZheChina Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.If this decoration is not merely a decoration but a real letter, how can I know if this is EVA-p or EVA-t? p vs t4. EVA-pp
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Decorations are merely decorations. The functional part should be recognizable, otherwise the glyph serves no purpose.
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The double line may indicate a double gallows glyph, like You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. or stacked gallows: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.. The choice of representation (stacked or not) may have (unknown) meaning, like 'benched' gallows cPh may be a variant form of pch.
(17-12-2018, 11:36 AM)nablator Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Ignoring the decorations and the double line for a moment, the glyph starts as p, with a double loop on top, and does not descend to the baseline, so I think it's basically a p.
ChenZheChina > 18-12-2018, 06:53 AM
(17-12-2018, 12:36 PM)MarcoP Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I see no problem with the idea that decorations make reading harder. A reader who knows the language can easily guess the intended character by the context, even if the decoration makes the symbol ambiguous. In particular, ambiguity between only two options is totally acceptable. Consider the amount of ambiguity introduced in some gothic scripts for the sake of elegance (this is You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view., but it gives the idea).
One of the manuscripts mentioned by Ellie (You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.) exemplifies how decorations interfere with the readability of the script.
-JKP- > 18-12-2018, 11:52 AM
(18-12-2018, 06:53 AM)ChenZheChina Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view....
For the second example, what are those ain aiin aiiin at the end of lines? They seem not to have meanings, just some placeholders.