Anton > 26-07-2018, 11:41 PM
(26-07-2018, 10:38 PM)-JKP- Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Just my humble opinion from looking at thousands and thousands of manuscripts and collecting more than 2,000 examples of the letter "d", but I don't think anyone would ever write a "d" like this (like the footed apostrophe) in the Middle Ages (even if they were trying to hide it)... the flow and shape, the extra curl to the left and down, are just wrong.
-JKP- > 27-07-2018, 01:29 AM
(26-07-2018, 11:41 PM)Anton Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view....
Do you mean b? We're not talking about Latin "d" here, but about EVA "b".
nickpelling > 28-07-2018, 06:08 PM
-JKP- > 28-07-2018, 09:32 PM
(28-07-2018, 06:08 PM)nickpelling Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I've thought a lot about ch vs sh: the key problem seems to be that the plume of sh is rendered in so many ways through the Voynich Manuscript's pages that it seems likely that you can find numerous counterexamples to just about any constructive theory you can put together about how they they were supposed to be constructed.
Quote:At a slightly more fundamental level, I don't believe that anyone has yet done a microscopic study of the letters in the different section to work out in which precise order different hands assembled strokes into letters. My suspicion is that each of the hands has a fairly consistent way of writing Voynichese letters, but that this breaks down when they miscopy things (e.g. when they start copying sh as ch, and then have to fix it up etc), but it would be much better if we just knew this kind of thing in a codicologically definitive way.
Quote:The area I was pretty sure in 2006 that I caught one of the Voynich hands specifically assembling letters in different passes was on You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. (Curse pp.164-168), where it seemed (and indeed still seems) to me that the aii- groups were written first before the -n flourish was added as a second pass (in a different ink). But that's a separate story.
-JKP- > 29-07-2018, 10:11 AM
(27-07-2018, 01:24 PM)Anton Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I don't remember where exactly it occurs - it's quite rare - but definitely it occurs from time to time, I once checked for that. See here (table "basic EVA"): You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
Common_Man > 29-07-2018, 11:26 AM
-JKP- > 29-07-2018, 12:03 PM
Emma May Smith > 29-07-2018, 02:17 PM
(29-07-2018, 11:26 AM)Common_Man Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Isn't it curious that many letters in voynich has a counterpart with a tail attached as well? EVA-R, EVA-S, EVA-I and now this. How is this charachter distributed? (As in the number, is the number comparable to other alphabets/tokens? How closely are vords using these symbols written?) I think depending on distribution, it maybe having an independant meaning/sound.. Or maybe Torsten's idea of shaps of glyphs being important and that similar ones occur together might have a substantiation, right?
Anton > 29-07-2018, 05:38 PM