Will keep an eye out for it!

More volcanoes...


I originally had this one here. Darn it, it worked out so well, i didnt notice it was the wrong one because its bridges had been cut away. But it is the wrong one. Here is the right one. It still works except there is nothing to show the 45 degree angles, the finial points south.



This rosette is located between the curvy bridge which i see as east of the Tunisian peninsula and the one that has the stacked rhomboids which i take as Egypt to the west of the Nile. That would put this rosette in the vicinity of Libya. It has a finial that seems to be viewed from the top, which already resembles a volcano seen from the same perspective.

Here is a depiction of Libya with volcanic areas shown. Note they run in an angle northwest to southeast.



This is one in the section marked 1



We get the morph effect happening yet again even in the name, which often stood for the bulk of Africa in ancient times. The modern name for the country itself is relatively young, 1934 and is based on the ancient name for the northwestern part of Africa. The region was previously called Tripolitania, among other names.



It works out as a morph for the volcanic activity as well, as there is a fault line that runs through the greater Saharan landbody which stretches from the Atlas range (where we also found volcanoes) connecting to the eastern rift, where we just saw the example of Kilimanjaro. It is like connect the dots, but with volcanoes. Or is it connect the ropes of the canopy? These look like finials as well to some degree. It may be showing that the volcanoes in various places are connected, especially to the south where there are multiple rope like extensions.



You can kind of see a circle in the middle of northern Africa, and there are active volcanos on the south edge of this circle.

So both the country itself and the northern part of the continent have similar 45 degree angle fault lines running north to south. 

Note the rosette makes an arrow out of the yellow coloured parts of the canopy. Could this be what it refers to? Or perhaps it is to show the shoreline angle. Maybe both. In any case it seems more than coincidence.



Here we have the slanted shorelines of the area.



Perhaps if you look at it from the perspective of the shoreline, it all becomes straight lines.

So lets take a look at this one and see if there are volcanoes there.



Since I see the SW rosette as the source of the Nile, and that it should be the southernmost point, then this one would represent things NE of there, which would include the Red Sea, Sea of Aden, Persian Gulf, Arabian Sea, Indian Ocean,  and the Gulfs of Gujarat, Kutch and Khambhat. 

That is what i think the blue pieces mean. As to the yellow arrow, it points to the northeast when the Nile source rosette is SE, like in the portolan setup. These are mostly places that dont normally show up in a portolan, it usually cuts off in line with the eastern egde of the Black Sea, generally only including the Red Sea at bottom right corner, kind of shoved in, or with just the tip showing, it is not usually shaped correctly.



Here it is not included. Second quarter of 14th century.



Here it is drawn in. Note that it does not even include the Gulfs of Suez and Aqaba, although it hints at Aden. This map is from 1541 but others before it show similar design.



This one from Barcelona 1439 draws it a bit better, and includes Aden and the Persian Gulf as well, although they do not connect, and are not correctly oriented except for the Red Sea.



The yellow arrow points east if the SW rosette points S. On a TO mappa mundi it also represents the east, or top in most cases. Except that of course the red sea should actually face north south, not east west. It is completely removed from the Mediterranean here. I think that might be what the squiggly line is about, correct orientation of the Red Sea in relation to east. Imagine the rosette we are talking about turned so the spray is to the west instead of north. You can sed how thevsquiggly line matches up with both the real life angle of the Red Sea and Persian Gulf in the north up orientation, and in this representation of Hecateaus' map.

 



In a map of Hecateaus' ecumene, it is the SE quadrant that is represented, and works with the SW rossete being S. However, it is when the SW rosette is SE  (Portolan map view) that the S rosette (the one we are looking at) becomes the E rosette, and the positioning of the line is correct looking in that way to indicate the orientation of the red sea, if not the rosette itself, which would be too high up, but that is only because the Nile rosette represents not only the mouth but the source. 

When the rosette is looked at as though it is the E rosette, the arrow points NE, which is correct from the point of view of its positioning compared to the most southern source of the Nile, it would cover the Eastern rift, up to the join between the red sea and Aden, then the Persian Gulf, and Gujarat. If it is looked at as the  S rosette, as it is here, the arrow correctly points to the SE, to represent the direction of the general area if the Nile rosette is thought of as the mouth. So it morphs and turns like all the other rosettes, in relation to the type of map and what is generally depicted. One day i will make a video to show how these morphs and turns correlate, it is hard to explain in writing or without showing pictures of the rosettes in various orientations, a lot of turning and zooming involved.

The Red Sea has active volcanoes, the Arabian peninsula has volcanos, Persian gulf has mud volcanoes, Gujarat in India has extinct volcanoes. Again the ropes indicate connections, ie the rifts, and indications that there are underground connections between volcanic outlets.

Linda, I can't keep up with you.

I have a blog that follows up the spewy bumps blog, it's been almost-written for a while (I can't finish it until I get back home tomorrow evening and I need to convert the tiff files to png), plus I have a lot more information for blogs to follow up that.


But I guess I like to present information step-by-step in context so that the significance of the information is clear and that takes a lot of time.

I'm trying to think of a way that we can prevent duplication of effort (it doesn't all overlap but some of it does) but I'm not sure it's possible since I have to work on it in a hunt-and-peck fashion in between work deadlines (and since I work 7 days a week, that's a challenge).

(16-03-2019, 11:33 PM)-JKP- Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Linda, I can't keep up with you.

I have a blog that follows up the spewy bumps blog, it's been almost-written for a while (I can't finish it until I get back home tomorrow evening and I need to convert the tiff files to png), plus I have a lot more information for blogs to follow up that.


But I guess I like to present information step-by-step in context so that the significance of the information is clear and that takes a lot of time.

I'm trying to think of a way that we can prevent duplication of effort (it doesn't all overlap but some of it does) but I'm not sure it's possible since I have to work on it in a hunt-and-peck fashion in between work deadlines (and since I work 7 days a week, that's a challenge).

I realize my interpretations are not coming out step by step, i am just trying to get my thoughts in order on the subject, and am sort of rushing it as it is not what i had intended to be working on, really i have been working on a post about quire 13 for months, but this volcano tangent sort of came along as i was trying to boil down the Q13 imagery into its constituent parts. Also rushing it because i want to get these thoughts out before springtime pursuits wipe them out of my head. 

Overall i see the volcanoes as being linked to fertile soil, and to ancient civilizations. It adds fire and earth to the water-based theory i had going.

In terms of effort, i am not concerned with my own, i am just examining possibilities, both of volcanoes and the rosettes themselves, linked to the map and civilization history ideas also. If there are duplications in our output, all the better, in my eyes, toward an understanding of what is depicted.

Latest thoughts on one of the rosettes, they are pretty random. 

 



I had found a really great image that looked a lot like the bubbles but can no longer find it. But the above shows the basic circular seismic patterns that occur around the aegean sea.

  

Also i realized that the aegean sea is directly across from the border between libya and egypt. 

 

Or directly across from this Libya (in red).