(04-10-2021, 03:06 AM)Ahmet Ardıç Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Some theories are only approved by the science of mathematics itself, and it is unnecessary to seek further confirmation from academies. Of course, such theories can be revised again and again to see if the evidence and findings are realistic and accurate.
Hi, Mr. Ardic,
I apologize for not answering sooner. I took time to examine your theory from the comments discussed in this forum, as well as on your web page, so that you cannot accuse me, that I don't know what I am talking about. So far, you did not convince me.
I still believe that you have no right to call your transcription alphabet 'Old Turkish Alphabet', without reference to the manuscript known as VM. You cannot compare that with European Voynich Manuscript, because Zandbergen did not even claim the alphabet was written in Europe, although he would have much better claim of doing so.
You should not degrade the intellectuals working on solving the VM, if they do not agree with you. Convince them with better proof than you are offering. You should be grateful to Zandbergen for placing the EVA alphabet, and other information about VM, on the internet, so that it was available for you to study. To disregard all his information about the VM, just because it does not fit into your fantastic theory about the Turkish traveler (the story keeps changing from one solitary Turkish traveler to an European tourist family with three children). Instead of accusing the intellectuals on this form of 'mental constipation', you should praise them for their effort and dedication, since they each contributed a peace of a puzzle towards solving the VM. And whether you like it or not, they would be the final judges of your work, regardless of how many Turkish experts agree with you, since their collective knowledge about the VM and their ability to test your theory is far greater than that of your friends in Arzerbaian. They have different experts (artists, linguists, logical thinkers, who came up with many clues that could not be ignored. Yes, they were not able to solve the mystery of the language, but Tavie and others came very close to pinpoint the location of the script and language, Petersen pointed out grammatical peculiarities that not even Dr. Bax noticed, Koen has done very good job of matching religious overlay on mythological images in the VM, to mention just a few.
Therefore, forget about statistics, and focus on grammatical and other clues they pointed out, but cannot explain. If the VM is written in Turkish, you will have no difficulty explaining some 4000 words starting with 4O (EVA-qo, ATA-do), most of which are comprised of a prefix, root word and suffix (or grammatical ending). Analyze them as well as you had analyzed the word YARARSAM (the first word in the Sunflower page, transcribed by your alphabet).
Since you challenged me with your statistical data, I will take you up on this. What are the chances that I can find all three parts of this word - YAR-AR-SAM in Slavic languages, as well as one in German and English? The word SAM appears also in Hebrew names - Samson, Samuel, in the name of early Slavic king Samo, and in USA fictional Character 'Uncle Sam', or in English word 'lonsam', or in German 'Samstag'.
In the medieval writing, J was written as Y, so that the Slavic YAR is now spelled as JAR.
JAR is the Proto-Slavic word for early (in time, or early in year (like in springtime). In Slovenian, the word JAR has been used mostly for JARO ŽITO (wheat that is planted early) or JARE KOKOŠI (spring chicken: JARČKA - spring hen, JARC (spring ruster). I suppose the association with YAR and LOVE could better be derived from the activity of a ruster. The association between YAR and year can be found in German 'Jahre' and English 'year'.
This word has also other meanings, like angry, revengeful, rude, self-righteous....
AR is the grammatical ending, indicating male profession.
SAM is a verb with similar meaning as you explained, for the verbal form of 'I AM' (where pronoun I is implied with the ending). In Serbian and Croatian, this word is spelled and pronounced as SAM, in Slovenian, it is spelled and pronounced as SEM, and in various other languages and dialects, it can also be SIM, or SAN. So much for being exclusively Turkish word for 600 years.
In Slavic languages, SAM can only be used for 1. person singular with adjective or preposition (sem tu - (I) am here; star sem - old (I) am.
The word SAM can also be used as to form a past tense, which would be acquardly translated in English. For example: SEM DAL - would literaly be translated as 'am gave' because of the grammatical forms. Since English has a different grammatical structure, the word would be translated as: I gave. Since the word SEM is only for the past tense, a different word is used for the future tense, and for conditional mood, although the ending of the verb remains the same as for the future tense and for the conditional mood. Example: BOM DAL - (I) will give, BI DAL (I) would give.
Since Slovenian has also very flexible word order, the words can also be reversed.
I suppose you tried to explain the complicated Turkish grammar.
As you can see, I understand how the word SAM works, without knowing Turkish. I do not even believe you transcribe it correctly.
Lets look at the statistics:
If I can find ten manuscripts, created in Europe in the middle of 15th century, where this same word - (EVA-dain, ATA-sam) is spelled as DAM, and you can not even produce one document, where this word was written with the same characters as in the VM, what is the probability that the word should be read as DAM, rather than SAM.
I suppose the probability will increase if we add the fact that images in the VM are not Turkish, but European. Or that they include hidden Christian images, and naked females, or the fact that Turkey and Turkish speaking European territories were not that tourist friendly at the time when Turks almost killed German King. I do not have to tell you about their atrocities during their Balkan invasion, you can look it up in the history books. I do not resent Turkey or Turkish people for that, I just mentioned it to explain to you that the probability that a Turkish traveler delivered the VM as gift to Emperor Rudolph II.
So much for the probability. The VM solution will not be solved on probability, but on the documented facts, primarily linguistic. I understand the phonetic speech was not written correctly, but differently by different writers who use different dialects, but there are other to prove the language. Don't compared the decoding to ancient Hittite inscriptions; there are plenty of documents from the Middle Ages where the letters, comparative to VM glyphs could be found.
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