Morten St. George > 29-03-2019, 05:45 AM
(29-03-2019, 04:18 AM)-JKP- Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.(28-03-2019, 09:13 PM)Morten St. George Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view....
A team effort, of course, negates theories about the mad scientist of northern Italy, 15th century, which is needed to explain how the VMS managed to evade all historical reference in an environment under the close scrutiny of the Inquisition. A team effort also tends to negate the hoax theories.
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No, it doesn't. I looked into medieval hoaxes and they really weren't much different from what happens today... small groups of people are often involved.
-JKP- > 29-03-2019, 07:21 AM
(29-03-2019, 05:45 AM)Morten St. George Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Know that I view the majority of the depicted plants as fake, that is, as imagined plants rather than as real plants, though surely the artists derived elements from memory of plants they had seen. This explains why the sunflower may be only partially accurate in its depiction.
Likewise, the text accompanying the plant drawings may also be fake, that is, meaningless text compiled by random extractions of tokens from the "starred" pages, namely You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. to You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. (the epistula) for Language A and from You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. to You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. (the liber) for Language B. You claim to be an expert on VMS text and are presumably in possession of a large amount of data on it, so you tell me whether or not such a thing is possible.
Morten St. George > 29-03-2019, 10:37 AM
(29-03-2019, 07:21 AM)-JKP- Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I don't think the plants are fake. Some are quite naturalistic and identifiable. Some are very stylized, but this might be for mnemonic reasons. I would not write them off as fake plants. They are probably just drawn in a way that is culturally and mnemonically meaningful to whoever drew them.
There is no proof that there is a "sunflower" in the VMS. There are a number of plants that look like the VMS "sunflower" that are not part of the sunflower family.
The text accompanying the plants might be meaningless. Or it might be in a system that isn't yet understood. I would not assume it's meaningless until we have explored all the possible ways the text could be constructed, and that is work in progress.
-JKP- > 29-03-2019, 10:45 AM
(29-03-2019, 10:37 AM)Morten St. George Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Please note that I did not say that all the plants are fake but only the "majority" of them. For example, I have no complaints about the water lily, a native American plant, on f2v.
Aldis Mengelsons > 29-03-2019, 03:47 PM
Linda > 29-03-2019, 04:21 PM
(28-03-2019, 10:54 PM)Morten St. George Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Linda, I am a seeker of the truth and would never continue to propagate a theory that I believed to be false. That's why I need to see your "offerings" so that I can evaluate them. My mainstay theory is that the VMS is the source of thirty-nine Nostradamus prophecies, not that the VMS was compiled in the Americas. Did you find a depiction of the Black Death in the VMS? A depiction of the Hundred Years War? A depiction of a pope or king of the 14th or 15th century? Tell me what it is that makes you think the VMS could not have been compiled in the Americas.
Linda > 29-03-2019, 04:26 PM
(29-03-2019, 10:45 AM)-JKP- Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.(29-03-2019, 10:37 AM)Morten St. George Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Please note that I did not say that all the plants are fake but only the "majority" of them. For example, I have no complaints about the water lily, a native American plant, on f2v.
Water lilies grow all over the world. That specific species grows all over the world, New World, Old World. It's a common plant. Forget about it being North American, just think of it as circumboreal, because that's what it is.
Morten St. George > 29-03-2019, 04:56 PM
(29-03-2019, 10:45 AM)-JKP- Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Water lilies grow all over the world. That specific species grows all over the world, New World, Old World. It's a common plant. Forget about it being North American, just think of it as circumboreal, because that's what it is.
Linda > 29-03-2019, 04:57 PM
(29-03-2019, 03:47 PM)Aldis Mengelsons Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I respect your way of thinking and also i ask for somebody's help...even you...about page 57v. Full translate like few ten others is in my FB page "Alex BC" Voynich Manuscript. Where was a true reason to make that kinda language which even can be read by my kids but in the very same time cannot be read by computers? Religions? I don't know....i just stuck...no ideas
-JKP- > 29-03-2019, 05:07 PM
(29-03-2019, 04:56 PM)Morten St. George Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.On the other hand, the VMS also depicts plants for which, as far as I know, no one has been able to find a look-alike anywhere. As all real plants are likely to have a look-alike somewhere, I am forced to conclude that the VMS also depicts fantasy plants.