Morten St. George > 28-03-2019, 01:53 PM
(28-03-2019, 04:08 AM)-JKP- Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Morten, you're doing it again. You are making things up.
We do not reject the idea that the VMS is a copy of something. The possibility is mentioned on a regular basis. I don't know anyone who has openly rejected the possibility.
Quote:My impression is that what would explain the VMS are books that have not reached us. Too many Inquisitions and books at the stake.
Helmut Winkler > 28-03-2019, 02:33 PM
-JKP- > 28-03-2019, 03:47 PM
(28-03-2019, 01:53 PM)Morten St. George Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view....
From my own experience, and from what I have been reading elsewhere, you guys frequently fight tooth and nail against any suggestion that the VMS script and drawings could have originated prior to the 15th century. It is in fact widely assumed that it all originated in the 15th century, which in effect constitutes a total rejection of Currier's copying job theory.
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Linda > 28-03-2019, 09:11 PM
Morten St. George > 28-03-2019, 09:13 PM
(28-03-2019, 02:33 PM)Helmut Winkler Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I think you have to distinguish two things, copy of content or copy of a piece of writing, Currier spoke of copying a given piece of writing by several scribes, which is certainly wrong, there is only one hand, plus one hand in the non Voynichese marginalia, which could still be te same scribe. I think the ms. comes from the first half of the 15th c., we have the C14 dating and script and style of the drawings fit into this time frame, the marginalia could be somewhat later. If the author copied content can't be decided before we know what the content is
Morten St. George > 28-03-2019, 09:44 PM
(28-03-2019, 09:11 PM)Linda Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.What i understand you to mean is that if Cathars wrote the basis for what was copied, what they wrote cant be older than the 13th century, by definition. So you are looking to prove that nothing in the vms shows anything later, and this will act somehow toward substantiation that Cathars wrote it .
As i doubt you would accept my offerings of 15th century events depicted in quire 13 and 14 as proof of anything, i will just say that if it was a 15th century copy of Cathar writings, inclusion of 15th century stylisms or depictions of anachronistic events would not disprove its being so, it would just put an updated spin on the contents, just like that painting by Jean Fouquet showing la Tour du Temple that didn't exist in 1210, as nablator pointed out. What it did do is show where the place was/is and what it might mean to contemporary or future eyes, since that is the audience, not the people of the past.
I dont think you have anything to gain from your requested smoking gun, nor the lack of it.
Linda > 28-03-2019, 10:09 PM
Morten St. George > 28-03-2019, 10:54 PM
(28-03-2019, 10:09 PM)Linda Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.So you are saying that in 13th century America, there existed a Cathar-authored book written there, that contained the non botanical aspects of the vms in their original forms, and this was copied early 15th century onto bison vellum by new world native followers of the Cathar faith, with the botanical section authored by them and appended.
If my offerings were accepted, your version could not be so, since none of those involved would have had news of these old world events until much later, unless you are saying they sometimes went back for updates, or that others arrived during the making thereof to catch them up on world events, and they thought it important to include them. Or maybe they were remote viewing? But still the question would remain as to why they would incorporate random old world events into their copy of the 13th century Cathar work. So, that makes me ask, why would you be interested in these interpretations of mine?
Aldis Mengelsons > 29-03-2019, 12:34 AM
-JKP- > 29-03-2019, 04:18 AM
(28-03-2019, 09:13 PM)Morten St. George Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view....
A team effort, of course, negates theories about the mad scientist of northern Italy, 15th century, which is needed to explain how the VMS managed to evade all historical reference in an environment under the close scrutiny of the Inquisition. A team effort also tends to negate the hoax theories.
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