-JKP- > 19-03-2019, 01:32 AM
Morten St. George > 19-03-2019, 03:56 AM
(19-03-2019, 01:32 AM)-JKP- Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.You can't just go by numbers, you have to LOOK at how the change manifests in the text.
Let's say I write the words "harbour" and "colour" and "theatre" in the first part of the manuscript, but then I decide to use "harbor" and "color" and "theater" instead.
What would happen statistically is that the frequency of the letter "u" would dramatically change from one section to the next, but the meaning of the words doesn't change at all.
So you have to look at WHAT changed in the VMS. If a common word gets written essentailly the same way but one character was dropped later on, then ask yourself what does that mean? Was that a substantive change? A change in language? Or was it just an easier way to write that particular vord or chunk or syllable?
-JKP- > 19-03-2019, 05:00 AM
(19-03-2019, 03:56 AM)Morten St. George Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view....
JP, I very much doubt that any conversion of something from British English into American English could result in letter-count discrepancies of the magnitude that we see between Curriers A and B because most words in both versions of English are spelled exactly the same. Why should we expect to see something different in the VMS?
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Morten St. George Wrote:On the other hand, one might expect encoded text to remain somewhat rigorous or consistent throughout, which is something that we do not find in the VMS, forcing us to conclude that different systems of encoding are being employed or that some parts of the VMS may not be encoded at all.
Morten St. George > 19-03-2019, 09:53 AM
(19-03-2019, 05:00 AM)-JKP- Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Most words in Curriers A and B are spelled the same if you look at the dynamics of the changes.
Morten St. George > 22-03-2019, 05:28 AM
(19-03-2019, 05:00 AM)-JKP- Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.It is pretty rigorous. That's what I've been trying to tell you. Yes, there may be slightly different systems of encoding but having studied them and having created four transcripts (which means I've looked at EVERY GLYPH in the VMS from beginning to end), I think of them as system "adjustments" rather than as different systems or languages. The differences are not major.
-JKP- > 22-03-2019, 06:58 AM
Morten St. George > 22-03-2019, 04:05 PM
(22-03-2019, 06:58 AM)-JKP- Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.My opinion? You're a storyteller. Nothing wrong with being a storyteller, it's a gift few people have and something to be treasured. But storytelling is not research. Research should be done WITHOUT assumptions.
Paris > 22-03-2019, 04:48 PM
Morten St. George > 22-03-2019, 11:34 PM
(22-03-2019, 04:48 PM)Paris Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Morten,
I know a few about Cathari.
Do we have some (or a lot of) manuscripts written by cathar authors ?
If yes, did you already identify the name of the VMS ?
If no, is there a database of these books writeent by cathar authors ?
-JKP- > 23-03-2019, 05:48 AM
(22-03-2019, 04:05 PM)Morten St. George Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view....
Many scholars have assumed that the VMS entails encrypted text but few have bothered to inquire about, or speculate on, what it was that they wanted to hide or why they wanted to hide it.
Quote:Without raising questions like that, it becomes hard to place the VMS in the correct historical context. Do you guys really believe that plant descriptions require complex encryption?