-JKP- > 20-09-2019, 11:06 AM
Morten St. George > 22-09-2019, 06:13 AM
(20-09-2019, 11:06 AM)-JKP- Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Morten I don't care what medieval academics say (well, maybe some of them if they've been looking at original sources rather than pirating each other).
I care about what I see manuscripts. And what I see written on fly leaves is medicinal recipes, many of them, and liver was a common ingredient.
What this means is that the person who suggested the pox leber reading is proposing something completely believable and rational for the time.
ReneZ > 22-09-2019, 06:46 AM
Aga Tentakulus > 22-09-2019, 10:07 AM
-JKP- > 22-09-2019, 10:49 AM
(22-09-2019, 06:13 AM)Morten St. George Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.(20-09-2019, 11:06 AM)-JKP- Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Morten I don't care what medieval academics say (well, maybe some of them if they've been looking at original sources rather than pirating each other).
I care about what I see manuscripts. And what I see written on fly leaves is medicinal recipes, many of them, and liver was a common ingredient.
What this means is that the person who suggested the pox leber reading is proposing something completely believable and rational for the time.
JP, I think you are exaggerating here. Not in a million years will I believe that the word "leber" was commonly seen on the fly leaves of medieval manuscripts, and I even find it doubtful that another instance of "pox leber" can be found on any fly leaf. To the contrary, "liber" may have been somewhat commonplace. In fact, just yesterday I read that one of the Sworn Books was inscribed "Sum Ben: Jonsonij liber."
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DONJCH > 22-09-2019, 10:53 AM
(22-09-2019, 10:07 AM)Aga Tentakulus Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.The word "Leber" is also due to the fact that just below it stands a drawing with the insides of an animal.
Morten St. George > 22-09-2019, 05:21 PM
(22-09-2019, 06:46 AM)ReneZ Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I am just trying to imagine what this discussion would have looked like, if the top line of You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. had not referred to the rather innocent 'poxleber' but instead to cat brains.
From a You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. quoted by David Jackson, we know that also cat brains were playing a role in medicine (toxicology) in the middle ages... It puts the discussion about he unlikelihood of goat liver in a different perspective.
Morten St. George > 22-09-2019, 06:41 PM
(22-09-2019, 10:49 AM)-JKP- Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.And yes, I agree with Tentakulus, and it may have been VViews who posted some good visual examples, but the drawing top left looks like a carcass hung to drip and cure.
(22-09-2019, 10:49 AM)-JKP- Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Drawings of butchered animals hanging from hooks are common in books of health from the 14th and 15th centuries. But maybe you don't believe that either.
Koen G > 22-09-2019, 07:45 PM