undekagon > 21-09-2017, 03:03 PM
Anton > 21-09-2017, 03:09 PM
undekagon > 21-09-2017, 03:27 PM
(21-09-2017, 02:49 PM)Anton Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.This is something that can be easily done with Job's tool, at least for exact matches, just one needs a bit of patience to add 28 (non-unique) stars into the rendering.
I just did the same for six You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. labels (actually, only four of them are not unique), and there are no adjacent occurrences (for exact matches).
Anton > 21-09-2017, 04:03 PM
Quote:And I still struggle with your defintion of homogenity? What do you exatly mean by homogenous in context? Equal occurence over the whole manuscript versus clustering? I am not sure I understand what you are computing/showing here. Can you please explain it again?
Anton > 21-09-2017, 05:08 PM
http://www.voynichese.com/#/exa:otcheody:ivory/exa:chocphy:wheat/exa:octhey:khaki/exa:ytchody:gray/exa:otshey:charcoal/exa:otydy:navy-blue/exa:okeor:royal-blue/exa:olor:medium-blue/exa:ockhy:azure/exa:otchdo:cyan/exa:otol:teal/exa:otor:forest-green/exa:ykchdy:olive/exa:ocphy:chartreuse/exa:okoldy:golden/exa:okshor:goldenrod/exa:otochedy:coral/exa:dolchedy:hot-pink/exa:cheorol:fuchsia/exa:odaiin:puce/exa:shdar:mauve/exa:dchol:plum/exa:okchor:indigo/exa:okcheody:crimson/exa:cholar:maroon/exa:chodar:mauve/exa:shchy:beige/exa:/1317
Anton > 21-09-2017, 05:22 PM
Quote:Well, that suggestion has been around for a long while. But the words which [q] attaches to suggests not. About 80% of words starting [q] see the character followed by either [ot] or [ok]. Almost none are followed by [ch] or [sh], or even [r]. The word 'and' should attache to a class of words, specifically nouns, so we would have to propose that [t] and [k] were noun markers. This would put us on a much different path from a natural language, thus destroying the goal of finding functions words, surely?
MarcoP > 21-09-2017, 05:41 PM
(21-09-2017, 02:32 PM)Anton Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Another exception is 55r, where the two stars are separated by one vord, and that vord is daiin. I think that daiin is unlikely to stand for "and", simply because it occurs as the last vord of a folio, and also there are cases where daiin is repeated sequentially.
Anton > 21-09-2017, 05:56 PM
Emma May Smith > 21-09-2017, 06:03 PM
(21-09-2017, 05:22 PM)Anton Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Quote:Well, that suggestion has been around for a long while. But the words which [q] attaches to suggests not. About 80% of words starting [q] see the character followed by either [ot] or [ok]. Almost none are followed by [ch] or [sh], or even [r]. The word 'and' should attache to a class of words, specifically nouns, so we would have to propose that [t] and [k] were noun markers. This would put us on a much different path from a natural language, thus destroying the goal of finding functions words, surely?
Hi Emma,
The word "and" may well join adjectives, verbs, or even numerals, but I agree that the major portion should be nouns. I'm not sure why you say that t and k would be noun markers. Would not o be a noun marker in this case?
I'd say that the task of finding function words extends beyond the natural language approach. It would suit artificial language, and maybe some not very sophisticated ciphers.
Anton > 21-09-2017, 06:23 PM
Quote:Were [o] a noun marker then there would be a high number of words starting [o] which don't take [q] frequently. For example, many words starting [ol] occur but have low rates of [q]. Furthermore, we would still be left with a problem as [ch, sh] don't even take [o] often.