farmerjohn > 20-09-2017, 09:10 PM
(20-09-2017, 08:11 PM)-JKP- Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I think it's all about peculiar form of Latin used in VMS and extensive use of diminuitive suffices is its significant trait. And different authors of manuscript used different suffices. The one who wrote balneo section never used -ulus, only -ellus. That's why words chedy and shedy appear only and mostly in this section respectively. Other authors used these words with suffix -ulus and got sheody and cheody. voynechese.com gives a nice picture of it.(20-09-2017, 06:58 PM)farmerjohn Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.daiin is illī, d stands for l sound and aiin for long o (n marks long vowels)
So common ending -dy stands for -ellus, and -ody for -ulus, diminuitive forms often used in medieval latin. Interestingly, -ody is very rarely used in bathing section, so this gives us at least three(!) authors
I think it's very unlikely that such a large proportion of words in a manuscript with several differently themed sections would all end in -ellus.
In fact, since you referenced medieval Latin abbreviations, if it were such, then -dy has many possible interpretations, including -bz (-bus) or -rum or even a category designation as it was done in Hildegard von Bingen's code, but... what is important to remember is that even if the VMS includes Latin-based glyphs or even Latin scribal conventions, it doesn't necessarily mean it's Latin (the conventions could be used to mean something else and were also used to mean other things in other languages even when the same symbols were used).
Anton > 21-09-2017, 01:44 AM
Quote:Definitely not universal as a "word" as Marco points out.
In Latin, for example, "and" is very frequently indicated by the number 7 and attached to the word that follows, and also stands for the letters "et" as in etiam (written 7iam). Thus, the same symbol is used for two different functions and doesn't necessarily ever stand alone because the same convention is used in other languages that may use a word other than "et" for "and", but which still uses the Latin scribal 7 symbol to express it.
In some languages "and" is a single or double character added to the beginning of a word. In English we are used to putting "and" between words, but it's not always done that way, sometimes adding a character to the beginning of the first of the two words that go together represents "and" and once again, it is not a separate word, it is attached to other words in much the same way as a prefix is attached to words rather than standing alone.
Quote:Some languages use a clitic to express 'and'. Arabic, Hebrew, even Latin do this.
-JKP- > 21-09-2017, 03:25 AM
(21-09-2017, 01:44 AM)Anton Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.OK, but whether a word, clitic, shorthand or otherwise, the portion of the script that represents "and" is presumably to be found in between labels of homogenous objects - unless shuffling is in place, but shuffling is already not a natural flow of language....
Koen G > 21-09-2017, 03:37 AM
Emma May Smith > 21-09-2017, 07:40 AM
Koen G > 21-09-2017, 08:46 AM
MarcoP > 21-09-2017, 09:47 AM
(21-09-2017, 01:44 AM)Anton Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.whether a word, clitic, shorthand or otherwise, the portion of the script that represents "and" is presumably to be found in between labels of homogenous objects
Torsten > 21-09-2017, 10:26 AM
(20-09-2017, 09:43 AM)davidjackson Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Let us constrain our thoughts to this one page, taken in isolation from the corpus (f104r), and examine how these words function solely on this page, without regard to the corpus.
We take the most common word, chol <chol>:
Anton > 21-09-2017, 02:32 PM
Quote:It would be interesting to make some experiments along those lines, but how do we define "homogeneity"?
Anton > 21-09-2017, 02:49 PM