You should take a look at the mailing list,  the fake theory has been discussed there ad nauseam.

I think  you dont't understand how these things are working, the proof that the VMs is  a fake is on you and not the other way round.

(12-09-2016, 05:17 PM)Helmut Winkler Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.You should take a look at the mailing list,  the fake theory has been discussed there ad nauseam.

I think  you dont't understand how these things are working, the proof that the VMs is  a fake is on you and not the other way round.

I will take a look there.

No, because I do not need to "prove" anything. I am not claiming anything either. I am a hobbyist, do not intend to present a full-proof YouTube video with the solution at all.

I see the possibility that it is forged/faked as strong, with the arguments outlined on the previous page. I will look for objections to that stance on the mailing list.

To prove a "fake" or "forgery" or even "hoax", be it contemporary or modern, seems also immeasurably hard because the terms wouldn't exactly be applicable to the VMs.

I don't think anyone has considered a "convoluted" process, a large "portmantaeu", before. Genuinly started but unfinished, later used for an unfinished fake or training for the same, later believed to be genuine and investigated, much later bound, quire-numbered, folded etc., much much later edited, folio-numbered and rebound to the current appearance.. something along these lines.

Now I am retreating to the trench where I am going to duck for a while. I expect bullets flying over my head very soon.

(12-09-2016, 03:28 PM)ReneZ Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I was once pointed to this Italian sample from 1420 by art historian Alexander Nagel:

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If that is cross-hatching, then the dating given would seem to be several decades too early.

(27-07-2017, 02:20 PM)voynichbombe Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Now I am retreating to the trench where I am going to duck for a while. I expect bullets flying over my head very soon.

Not from me :-)
I consider it a closed chapter.

.. "immeasurably hard" in my mind amounting to 99,999999%. Add positions after decimal place for convolution related musings ad lib.

(waving white flag