MarcoP > 21-07-2017, 12:35 PM
Anton > 21-07-2017, 01:41 PM
MarcoP > 21-07-2017, 02:19 PM
(21-07-2017, 01:41 PM)Anton Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.... or that the labels are not literally "names" of the depicted objects, but rather pieces of some other information about (or related to) the objects.
Somewhere in another thread Wladimir explored whether there are intersections in words mentioned in the botanical folio where a plant is depicted and in the pharma folio where (an element of) the same plant is depicted. The result was that intersections were very few and did not suggest that plant names are plainly mentioned at all in the botanical section.
Anton > 21-07-2017, 04:26 PM
Quote:Thank you, Anton!
I guess Wladimir's post you are referring to is You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.?
Quote:the illustrations are not detailed enough to provide identification of the plants
MarcoP > 21-07-2017, 04:54 PM
(21-07-2017, 04:26 PM)Anton Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Quote:Thank you, Anton!
I guess Wladimir's post you are referring to is You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.?
No, rather to this one: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
This is effectively, Wladimir's remark as to my older research where I assumed that first vords of botanical folios stand for names of plants (which, in turn, was inspired by Stephen Bax's paper of 2014).
(21-07-2017, 04:26 PM)Anton Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Quote:the illustrations are not detailed enough to provide identification of the plants
The idea is that "small plants" (plants from the pharma section) may be identified as elements of "large plants" (plants from the botanical section), and thus the name of a given "small plant" may be deduced from the name of the large plant. The name of the large plant is, in turn, suggested by image mnemonics.
Several striking identifications of plants aided by mnemonics in the beginning of this year (this activity was somewhat undermined by the "Coventry event", I think we should resume it) suggest that encoding the large plant names via image mnemonics is a systematic practice employed by the VMS author. In that case, there might be no plant names in the botanical section text at all!
Wladimir found several matches of "small plants" against "large plants" (to be found somewhere on the forum). I do not know whether he finished that work or stopped somewhere along the way, and I also don't know if all small plants can be matched to large ones, or only a subset of those - I don't follow pharma section discussions closely. If some small plants cannot be matched against large plants, this would mean one of the following:
- those small plants' names are to be found somewhere in the pharma section text (presumably, in the respective labels)
- those small plants' identification should rely on mnemonics of the respective small plant itself.
Anton > 21-07-2017, 10:31 PM
MarcoP > 22-07-2017, 10:16 AM
(21-07-2017, 10:31 PM)Anton Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.About the vord otol, it's a curious one, I wrote about that two years ago, dunno if you've seen that piece (Section 3 You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.).
Just for a note, I would be careful about equating otoldy to otol dy, or, in other words, about assuming that otoldy (otolam etc.) has something to do with otol. The Voynich morphology does not look to me that "linear". In English, we can clearly see that, say, "yearly" derives from "year", but it's not at all evident that, say, otoldy derives from otol.
Anton > 22-07-2017, 02:39 PM
Quote:These observations might be explained by the hypothesis that word AB is sometimes related with the two words sequence A-B. i.e. words like AB are formed by agglutination of two individually meaningful words A and B. Can you think of other explanations?
MarcoP > 22-07-2017, 03:20 PM
Anton > 22-07-2017, 10:08 PM
Quote:
- by the scribe – this could be the case with okeeo-raiin
Quote:Personally, I consider the evidence of scribal inconsistency in spacing as a hint to some kind of agglutination, but they might just be errors or whatever.
Quote:The numeric example you propose would make the nearby occurrence of the totally unrelated okeeoraiin and okeeo-raiin purely coincidental
Quote:But of course, I am always biased by my implicit perception that the text is meaningful at all....