Diane > 13-02-2016, 02:28 PM
Torsten > 14-02-2016, 08:16 AM
-JKP- > 14-02-2016, 09:55 AM
(09-02-2016, 07:21 PM)Emma May Smith Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I'm currently looking at working to break up the Voynich words into syllables (yes, I believe in a linguistic solution) and I wonder what methods have been tried previously, and by whom, to achieve this.
I only know of Stolfi's work, where he considers each word a syllables in itself, but what others are out there?
Emma May Smith > 14-02-2016, 10:13 AM
(14-02-2016, 09:55 AM)-JKP- Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.(09-02-2016, 07:21 PM)Emma May Smith Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I'm currently looking at working to break up the Voynich words into syllables (yes, I believe in a linguistic solution) and I wonder what methods have been tried previously, and by whom, to achieve this.
I only know of Stolfi's work, where he considers each word a syllables in itself, but what others are out there?
If it's an abjad (as with several ancient Mediterranean languages) or a partial abjad (as with some Slavic words), then every two or three glyphs might be one or sometimes even two syllables.
ReneZ > 14-02-2016, 11:45 AM
Sam G > 14-02-2016, 04:27 PM
(14-02-2016, 08:16 AM)Torsten Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.It is not possible that words in the VMS represent a word in a natural language. (Or if we assume some kind of cipher a plain text word.)
(See Currier: "That’s just the point — they’re not words!" in You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.)
First, the weak word order can only mean that the words are not ordered by a grammar as we know for natural languages.
I didn't think that it is plausible to to assume a language without grammar.
Second, the entropy is too low. Although the entropy is already low we have the line structure.
The line structure is accountable at least for a part of the entropy.
Torsten > 14-02-2016, 09:19 PM
lelle > 03-03-2016, 08:33 PM
(12-02-2016, 10:01 AM)ReneZ Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I share some of these considerations, especially that strings of i's are to be grouped with the preceding character (almost always a). Currier's alphabet has grouped them with the following character, which probably affected many people's way of mentally parsing them.
ReneZ > 04-03-2016, 02:12 AM
(03-03-2016, 08:33 PM)lelle Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.(12-02-2016, 10:01 AM)ReneZ Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I share some of these considerations, especially that strings of i's are to be grouped with the preceding character (almost always a). Currier's alphabet has grouped them with the following character, which probably affected many people's way of mentally parsing them.
Looking at the middle column of You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. "der mus del", there are only, what looks like, single glyphs with the exception of "air" on line 11. This might point to aiX-groups being no different from the glyphs we see in the same column.
In my, amateurish, calculations I consider this group atomic. It has not, however, helped me make any sense of the text.
Anton > 07-03-2016, 12:04 AM
Quote:So when we see that the VMS letters <a>, <e>, and <o> are nearly identical to the "a", "e", and "o" of the Roman alphabet respectively, then I think this fact alone already suggests that these letters are intended to correspond to vowels, and probably even to similar vowels as these letters represent in European languages.
Quote:Really, the fact that EVA transliteration makes the text basically "pronouncible", as would likely any other transliteration scheme that mapped <a>, <e>, <o>, and <y> to vowels and the other letters to consonants (and considered <i> as a modifier), is by itself strong evidence that its implicit assignment of consonant and vowel status is basically correct.
Quote:Second, the entropy is too low.