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RE: Horčický's books
ReneZ > Yesterday, 10:15 AM
(Yesterday, 09:23 AM)dvoileGenealogie Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.It's the poor house in Krumlov for Wroblicius. The source is mentionned at the end of my post, here again :
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Thanks! I looked inside that document. I checked that it is searchable, but it did not return anything that starts with "Wrob" or with "Krum". I'll take a closer look.
Yes, Tepenec's relatives are mentioned in a document I have, but cannot share publicly.
Here is the relevant text in (old) Czech:
Quote:Girzikowy Horczizkynnie stergrzy menni, syni Waczlawa
Horczizky z miesta Kojetina, ....
Heronymowi Horcziczkynnie tez stergrzi menne Jana
Sstiky syne z miesta Kojetina ...
The word 'stergrzi' is some family relationship that the translator could not figure out.
In the following I use 'relative'.
Quote:To Georg Horczicky, my relative, son of Wenzel Horczicky in the city of Kojetin...
To Hieronymus Horczicky, also my relative, son of Johannes Schtick, in the city of Kojetin... -
RE: Horčický's books
dvoileGenealogie > Yesterday, 11:22 AM
Quote:To Georg Horczicky, my relative, son of Wenzel Horczicky in the city of Kojetin...
To Hieronymus Horczicky, also my relative, son of Johannes Schtick, in the city of Kojetin...
Dear Rene,
On page 125 & 126 for Wroblicius. Three occurences.
For the Horczicky : how Hieronymus Horcicky can be the son of a man callde Schtick ? The translation should be another.
Do we know when this text was written (the date) ?
Thanks, -
RE: Horčický's books
dvoileGenealogie > Yesterday, 11:43 AM
Attached, a capture on the video publicized by S.Guzy on youtube :
We can read the name you mentionned.
If the source is the testament indeed, a full transcript of it is needed. Otherwise it would be an important other source.
"Girzikowi Horczizkynnie, ..."
Best regards,
Fabien. -
RE: Horčický's books
dvoileGenealogie > Yesterday, 12:39 PM
Here probably the genealogy, as St(?)gy may be a variant and meaning uncle.
It needs to be confirmed, developped, etc., first idea :
**Václav Horčizký** (grandfather, from Kojetín)
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+-- **Georges Horčizký** (paternal uncle = "stryj měnni")
+-- **Horčizkyně** (paternal aunt) married to **Jérôme Štika** (son of Jan)
+-- **Jacob's father** (deceased, name unknown) Horčizký
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+-- **Jacob Horčizký** (~46 years old, document author)
This testament should in fact give the origin of Jacobus, and a indirect (or direct) relation to Wrobilius. -
RE: Horčický's books
Jorge_Stolfi > Yesterday, 01:10 PM
(20-03-2026, 07:47 AM)ReneZ Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.the Ex Libris on No19
René, I have the vague recollection of you and Gabriel "discovering" the name on f1r, back when you were transcribing the VMS from some earlier set of images, and being puzzled abut it.
Is that recollection correct?
Had others noticed that name before? How did you find out that it was Jacobus's?
Did Wilfrid himself ever mention that name in public? Did his widow?
All the best, --stolfi -
RE: Horčický's books
ReneZ > Yesterday, 06:50 PM
Fabien,
I agree this is all quite interesting, but I cannot share this information as (to the best of my knowledge) people should be working on this, and it is not 'mine' to share in the first place.
The part that I showed was for the purpose of demonstrating that there existed a straightforward manner in which the Aristotle book could have passed from Wroblicius to Horcicky.
I can also add that the unpublished material does not shed any new light on the Voynich manuscript.
The hope was to find an index of Horcicky's books, which should show an Aristotle as #4 and some description of #19 that would hopefully tell us something new. But this list was not found.
Now, let me be the first to say that this should not be just about the Voynich MS. This research has its own interest.
I'll contact you directly, tomorrow. -
RE: Horčický's books
ReneZ > Yesterday, 07:03 PM
(Yesterday, 01:10 PM)Jorge_Stolfi Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.René, I have the vague recollection of you and Gabriel "discovering" the name on f1r, back when you were transcribing the VMS from some earlier set of images, and being puzzled abut it.
Is that recollection correct?
Had others noticed that name before? How did you find out that it was Jacobus's?
Did Wilfrid himself ever mention that name in public? Did his widow?
I'm a bit confused by your question. This has been discussed at length in 'the other thread'.
Short summary: first described by Voynich in his 1921 paper, which is available online (see the References page at my web site). Also described in D'Imperio (same two comments). -
RE: Horčický's books
dvoileGenealogie > Yesterday, 07:19 PM
(Yesterday, 06:50 PM)ReneZ Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Fabien,
I agree this is all quite interesting, but I cannot share this information as (to the best of my knowledge) people should be working on this, and it is not 'mine' to share in the first place.
The part that I showed was for the purpose of demonstrating that there existed a straightforward manner in which the Aristotle book could have passed from Wroblicius to Horcicky.
I can also add that the unpublished material does not shed any new light on the Voynich manuscript.
The hope was to find an index of Horcicky's books, which should show an Aristotle as #4 and some description of #19 that would hopefully tell us something new. But this list was not found.
Now, let me be the first to say that this should not be just about the Voynich MS. This research has its own interest.
I'll contact you directly, tomorrow.
I understand
.
The sequence "N°" is for me chronological. Each time he got a book, Jacobs (or his library manager) increment this number on the exlibris. But it's possible he got the #4 and #19 together with other books, and that he added randomly this corresponding "N°" collection. This is why I wanted to date the moment Jacob got this book from Wroblicius.
Why ?
Because if this moment is after the death of Emperor, Jacob could'nt have got the MS Voynich directly from Emperor "hand to hand".
Regards. -
RE: Horčický's books
dvoileGenealogie > Yesterday, 09:35 PM
Here an interesting map.
If it's the good native village for Jacob, Tepenec castle is not so far... 52 kms so far from Bojanovice...
Regards -
RE: Horčický's books
dvoileGenealogie > Today, 12:26 AM
Nejstarší matrika olomoucké univerzity
Die älteste Matrikel der Olmützer Universität
(1576) 1590–1621
Eodem anno et mense, die 6 [6. XII. 1590], infrascripti beanismo absoluti et inter studiosos numerati sunt:
(...)
359 Christophorus Schaffer, Olomucensis, Moravus
360 Ambrosius Rodschan, Lusatius
361 Martinus Schaffer, Olomucensis, Moravus
His mentor Martin SCHAFF(N?)ER seems still to be at The university of Olomouc end 1590, where he's accepted as student.
To compare with the biography of Jacobus.
Regards