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RE: The frog
Paris > 23-10-2020, 01:48 PM
Yes Scarecrow,
It is in this way that was represented the sign scorpio in the Middle Ages.
Here is another example, a stained glass window of Notre-Dame Cathedral in Paris (first half of the thirteenth century) -
RE: The frog
R. Sale > 23-10-2020, 09:16 PM
Are we all on the same page with this? Morgan M. 890 appears to be picture first, article following. So the things in the tree are salmanders per JKP.
See: MS Ashmole 1511 p. 171
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That makes the one in the upper right of first page posted from Morgan M. 890, with the pointed tongue, a representation of "Saura lacertus"
However, since the image in the lower right also has a pointed tongue and is a 'serpens', it brings the question as to whether the artist "accepts" the concept of a forked tongue. -
RE: The frog
aStobbart > 24-10-2020, 05:49 PM
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RE: The frog
Koen G > 30-01-2025, 04:06 AM
I'm still in the US and I don't have Photoshop on this laptop which is really annoying. I did my best with GIMP to make this composition:
Top: old scans, newer scans, Theodore Petersen's sketch.
Bottom: pictures of original MS.
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RE: The frog
BessAgritianin > 01-02-2025, 06:26 AM
Do you want to hear a fable, about the frog?
"If you kiss a frog, it will turn into a prince."
But since not every time it happens, one needs a lot of frogs and maybe the herb root from f32v.
The conclusion from the story is that the frog is transformation or a symbol of a material, which will be transformed in the process, described in pharmacy f102r2.
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RE: The frog
Koen G > 01-02-2025, 04:07 PM
Something we could not see in the original scans is the "stinger" on the head Petersen drew. It is clearly there though. So maybe they meant an insect of some sort? -
RE: The frog
Bluetoes101 > 01-02-2025, 07:55 PM
I think my vote would be lizard eating a leaf
If all of it is to be considered a singular thing, a mayfly sprung to mind.. but you would expect wings
.. its hard to know if the body stops with the paint and then 2 flicks, or if its meant to be a lizard tail
![[Image: may2.jpg]](https://i.postimg.cc/65NPfyFb/may2.jpg)
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RE: The frog
Bluetoes101 > 02-02-2025, 01:44 AM
Its frankly too hard to tell with what remains, but an idea has been tugging at me is..
Either the paint is rubbish, or its right and these lines show folded down wings (black) over the body (pink). It would not be right with a mayfly, I don't think they can fold their wings down. I'm also not sure how much that matters. Maybe "wings are wings" in VM artist eyes.
A dragonfly would be more accurate.. but then you have the face spikes..
And what I see as "feet and toes" like the frog, which makes my thinking more "lizard"
some sort of go-between would be turtle and the "wing line" is a "shell line", but I'm not sure how many turtles are climbing up stuff vertically
so maybe not... all turtles have tails though.. so a tick in that box..
![[Image: fly.jpg]](https://i.postimg.cc/vZ6TXMgz/fly.jpg)
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RE: The frog
BessAgritianin > 02-02-2025, 05:26 AM
(30-01-2025, 04:06 AM)Koen G Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I'm still in the US and I don't have Photoshop on this laptop which is really annoying. I did my best with GIMP to make this composition:
Top: old scans, newer scans, Theodore Petersen's sketch.
Bottom: pictures of original MS.
Which is the source document from which is copied Theodore Petersen's sketch?
The writing below the frog and below the multipede figure seems to be interesting.
Please, provide the link to this document!
From what I read it seems to be in German- "Frosch----" etc.
BR: Vessy