bi3mw > 11-12-2020, 10:08 PM
Searcher > 12-12-2020, 12:47 PM
(11-12-2020, 10:08 PM)bi3mw Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.It is conceivable that Michael Maier's "Atalanta Fugiens" respectively one of the emblems and a part of folio f86v3 in the VMS are based on a common template. After all, there are two birds on the folio in the VMS too ( though only one in the nest).Some time ago I made a few comparisons to Maier's and Milius's emblems. They really have a surprising resemblance to some of the VMs images. In fact, they are considered not actual because of their late date, therefore I searched for an earlier example. We discussed it at the You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.. But saying about the 17th century examples, my favourite one is the emblem from The Philosophia reformata of J. D. Mylius. 1622 - the two rocks, the birds in a nest, the Earth between the rocks (T/O map implies the Earth, as well).
Atalanta Fugiens, Michael Maier, 1618, Emblem / Epigram 7th
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bi3mw > 12-12-2020, 03:32 PM
(12-12-2020, 12:47 PM)Searcher Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.In fact, they are considered not actual because of their late date, therefore I searched for an earlier example.You are right, the tradition of the numerous works of the 17th century is difficult to trace. It seems that there is a gap to the earlier alchemical works (in Europe). It is not possible to explain it with the invention of the printing press, because this was of course much earlier.
Searcher > 12-12-2020, 06:04 PM
(12-12-2020, 03:32 PM)bi3mw Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view....the tradition of the numerous works of the 17th century is difficult to trace. It seems that there is a gap to the earlier alchemical works (in Europe). It is not possible to explain it with the invention of the printing press, because this was of course much earlier.I still keep trying to find closest examples in earlier alchemical works. It's really a problem that many potentially XV c. original works are lost and only found later, often in printed versions, in the XVI or XVII c., therefore they are often considered to be written by later authors under the names of older famous and mysterious alchemists . It concerns Ripley's, Basil Valentine's and a few others works, in which I'm really interested. I always was interested why not earlier, XII, XIII c. alchemists, but XV c. ones. Some mystery here.
I personally believe that there is a tradition, because nothing is created in "a vacuum".
The idea that the VMS on some folios or sections takes up alchemical themes that appear again in much later works I therefore consider quite acceptable. So there would have to be common templates.
bi3mw > 12-12-2020, 08:54 PM
Searcher > 12-12-2020, 10:09 PM
-JKP- > 13-12-2020, 01:16 AM
Searcher > 13-12-2020, 10:20 AM
(13-12-2020, 01:16 AM)-JKP- Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Searcher, I don't know the answer to your question, but I have tried to keep my eyes open for foldouts and "rolls" when I am looking through eManuscripts.Thanks, JKP! Maybe, we can even devote a thread to this topic.
They seem to show up most often on prayer/talismanic rolls, Ripley-style rolls, obituary rolls, heraldic rolls, sometimes on religious contemplation rolls (they are almost like a medieval version of a poster), maps, and the portable handbooks of physicians. But... I don't see them frequently.
bi3mw > 19-12-2020, 03:13 PM
Koen G > 19-12-2020, 03:48 PM