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(06-02-2017, 09:33 AM)stellar Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.@ JKP
Quote:The 7 stars might represent the solar system or any of the other constellations that are symbolized by the number 7 (there are quite a few of them) and the similarity to Taurus (linguistically or numerically) might be coincidental.JKP,
... If he wished to place a small solar system on the left of this folio he would have most certainly done the whole folio differently as in ellipses of bodies around the Sun. Other constellations? Which one in the night sky has so many bright stars neatly cluster and packed together? ...
MarcoP > 06-02-2017, 02:31 PM
(06-02-2017, 09:45 AM)VViews Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.As I recently commented on Stephen Bax's site, if the label is Taurus shouldn't it appear in the Taurus pages? I was told that that is not how Voynich text works.
(06-02-2017, 09:45 AM)VViews Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I didn't comment further over there because I didn't want to come across as disrespectful to Stephen Bax, but I find it awfully "convenient" that Voynich text should be a simple substitution cipher only when it fits assumptions based on the illustrations...
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MarcoP > 06-02-2017, 06:34 PM
(06-02-2017, 09:45 AM)VViews Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I find it awfully "convenient" that Voynich text should be a simple substitution cipher only when it fits assumptions based on the illustrations...
Quote:A question still unresolved is why the writers of the VM used this script at all instead of another which might have been available to them (such as Latin or Arabic), and then how this particular script was devised. A common reason for devising a new script, if it is not for purely economic reasons, is to support a new national and/or religious identity or to support new cultural elements in a society, as in the case of Armenian for example (Parsumean-Tatoyean 2011). With regard to how scripts are devised, although it is possible to invent a script completely from new, this is rare; ‘new’ scripts have usually been derived or adapted from existing scripts, for example Ethiopian Ge’ez from South Arabian, with vowelling added probably following inspiration from India (Daniels 1997). Another fascinating example is that of the Glagolitic Slavic alphabet created in the 9th century. In this case a script was devised for a language which had no script by a small group of people, supposedly two brothers, using signs adapted from Greek, Hebrew, Coptic, Armenian and Samaritan (Sussex, Cubberley 2006, Auty 1968).
Quote:Historically the word Taurus is thought to derive from Proto-Indo-European *tau-ro, *tawros, *teh₂wros. meaning bull (You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.); it is also linked with Semitic variants such as the Arabic word ‘thaur’, which signifies both ‘bull’ and also the constellation (Footnote: In addition, the Arabic for the Pleiades is “Al Thurayya”, though this is etymologically unrelated to ‘thaur’). For this reason, when we come to gloss the VM word positioned to the right of the seven stars in the illustration, it is important not to assume that it represents the Latin TAURUS per se, as some commentators seem to do; it could well be a variant from another language.
Quote:In summary, the language of the Voynich manuscript is probably not European, but is more likely to be Near Eastern, Caucasian or Asian. We need further evidence to see whether it is of Indo-European, Semitic, Turkic, Kartvelian (e.g. related to Georgian) or from another language family.